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This topic deserves its own posting. When you take a few lines of scripture and put it together with other parts of scripture is it the truth? Is it still the word of God? What if you only take one verse? Does it mean what it says?
There are ways to make the Bible say or infer many different things. Anything from sexual practices to suicide. This is just one example of what I’m talking about. And the wretched knowing he was lost took himself out and hung himself. now go forth and do likewise. By putting these two parts of scripture together it would appear that the word of God is telling us to kill ourselves. We all know better than this however, the SDA cult as well as the WMSCOG cult (among others) go to great lengths in doing this very thing. The scriptures used above have about as much to do with each other as a puppy and a cheese grader. One scripture refers to Judas Iscariot and the other comes from a lesson Jesus taught on how we should deal with each other. Lets not be fooled by this kind of deception and misleading.
I have heard the argument that you can’t use your own mind to determine what the scriptures are saying. Jesus spoke in parables in order to make us think and discover the things of God. In my mind anyone who tells you something like don’t use your own mind, we can answer all of your questions is nothing more than a manipulator and a deceiver. Sound like anyone in the Bible you’ve heard of?
I cannot believe there is a straight forward answer about scripture jumping because sometimes he reveals truth and sometimes it’s just nonsense
Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
The bible always confirms itself, so there must be other lines which tell about the same doctrine. Of course we still have to remember the context, which wmscog just leaves out.
Rexona wrote:
Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
The bible always confirms itself, so there must be other lines which tell about the same doctrine. Of course we still have to remember the context, which wmscog just leaves out.
Rexona,
I completely agree with you. The wmscog DOES leave out the context. The reason being simply because if the context is taken into consideration, their studies don't make any sense at all. Here are some examples. I was told, more than once, not to look at the context because it would just confuse me and there was no way that I could understand the Bible on my own. But I believe that if I pray to God for clarity and understanding when I am reading the Bible, that God will indeed provide…WITHOUT the wmscog.
Are you a current member? If not, were you and for how long approximately?
I don’t think, its removing context but redefining context
More likely ignoring context.
Sueno Maruyama wrote:
More likely ignoring context.
No they don't EVER ignore context. They CHANGE IT every time I have studdied with them you have not.
Joshua wrote:
I just had a conversation with someone who tried to convince me that if you take pieces of the Word of God, put them together, they are still the Word of God. Now, I do value peoples oppinion and I will hear them out. This person who was speaking to me I do have respect for even though we don't always see eye to eye. While we were talking this person brought up the idea that Gods Words could be considered like numbers and numbers never lie. For your consideration I shared this:
Three men went to a hotel. The manager said that they only had one room left and he charged them $30.00 for it. Each man paid $10.00 towards the room. Later the manager was feeling guilty because he overcharged the three men by five dollars. He called the bell boy over and gave him the five dollars for the three men. On the way to the room the bell boy took two dollars and pocketed it. He gave the three men the other three dollars. Each man took one which means they each paid nine dollars towards the room. Three men times nine dollars = $27.00 If you add what the bell boy took ($2.00) you come up with $29.00. What happened to the other dollar?
All of the math is right but the outcome is not. Is this truth or is it something else? I don't believe you can take pieces of Gods Word out of their origional context put them in a different order and say it's Gods truth. It could be but then again it might be something else. Hold everything up to the truth of Gods word. If it doesn't match up then throw it out. Certainly don't preach it as a doctrine! Still don't believe what I'm saying is the truth then just look back at the beginning of this topic and ask yourself if God would really tell us to kill ourselves!
The math actually is not right you cannot calculate money in such a manner 🙂
The problem is sometimes it is essential like the Catholic Church pushes the Papacy making the Claim Peter baptising the first gentile is proof of the papacy when in fact Phillip the Evangelist baptised a non-Jew before Peter baptised a nonJew
As for the numbers though, you cannot add the two dollars they already spent back into the math.
AMEN! thats how i feel too JOSHUA, but i also see the need to follow the commands & examples of CHRIST JESUS. I truly believe in the sabbath & the passover, and wms to my knowledge as of today is the only church that keeps all of GOD'd feast. If not here, then where else can i celebrate what JESUS command us to do.
I can tell you with 100% certaintly that there is ONE thing all churches of all denominations agree with, and will always agree with, without any doubts or contradictions and that is the 10% tithe. They are no arguments there! In that verse they all see the same thing.
Except WMSCOG does not keep the feasts according to the examples of Ahnsahnghong's teachings so even if he is correct about keeping the feasts WMSCOG is still wrong by not keeping them.
Shimon I really feel like Ahnsanghong has nothing to do with what is going on today, i think that after he passed away they started to change things around. What i can not believe is that they say that Ahnsanghong left a letter stating that he follows mother, therefore confriming that mother is God, like how do we know thats his handwritting, we are not korean nor have we seen that letter. Also at that time 1985 notarys were around, he could have left the letter notorized or camcorders where out, he could have recorded a VHS tape stating what he said in that letter.
I dunno Shimon i'm so confused, sometimes things are right in front of our faces, but we just don't want to see it, because of fear. Some people have fear of being wrong, but if I'm wrong it doesn't bother me to admit it. My fear is GOD i fear him, and so this is way I'm still there. I hope one day I can see everything with clarity, and no confusion.
Here is a very simple solution to the question. God cannot lie Ahnsahnghong said there is no Mother God and Zahng Gil Jah claims she is God and that Ahnsahnghong said she was God.
Either Ahnsahnghong lied when he said there is no Mother God meaning he cannot be God, thus making Zahng Gil Jah's claim meaningless.
OR Ahnsahnghong was truthful when he said there was no Mother God and Zahng Gil Jah is lying about him claiming she is God so as a liar she cannot be God.
Whatever Ahnsahnghong taught it is not in WMSCOG we can be sure of that much.
but we still have NCPCOG and COGJW also founded by Ahnsahnghong
I know, when I heared about that story and about the book that was written & meant for umoo something, i said in my mind, now why would GOD need to write a book, when he left us the bible. They explain to me the whole story, but it still sounded so wrong to me, and thats what started me to come on to the internet and search.
There are times when i think Ash was a prophet, but when they tell me "whoever brings back the passover is God, because only God can unseal what he sealed" and they show me the verse, it makes sense, and i accept it.
loocpoc wrote:
WHOAMI wrote:
I know, when I heared about that story and about the book that was written & meant for umoo something, i said in my mind, now why would GOD need to write a book, when he left us the bible. They explain to me the whole story, but it still sounded so wrong to me, and thats what started me to come on to the internet and search.
There are times when i think Ash was a prophet, but when they tell me "whoever brings back the passover is God, because only God can unseal what he sealed" and they show me the verse, it makes sense, and i accept it.
But Passover never went away. Jews celebrated Passover as set forth in the regulation.
you are strawmanning (WMSCOG right or wrong is not reffering to what you reffer to no matter how many times you twist their words a strawman fallacy remains a fallacy even when pointing to a correct conclusion)
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