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  • #53072

    WMS brother
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    genny,

    "Unless the Word becomes flesh, how can the Spirit say?"

    The spirit and the bride BOTH proclaiming together.

    So if the spirit MUST need flesh to say words, the Bride also MUST need flesh to say words.

    It is the premise for the semons written by father.

    Oh, Im not sure if you guys know that, but all the "Sermons" we preach are from big books written by hand from Father.

    We didn't actually make our own Sermon books, the sermons came from Ahn Sahng Hong.

    Especially the ones we use to preach about Mother.

     

    #53071

    genny
    Participant

    I have read chapter 35 several times, and the only part I can think of that might match what you are talking about is this:

    (page 473 in my copy)

    In what form will the Spirit and the Bride come and proclaim?  Jesus said:

    John 12:48 "There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day."  And it is written:

    Rev. 19:11-13 "I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse whose rider is called Faithful and True.  With justice he judges and makes war.  His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns.  He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself.  He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God."

    And it is written that the Word became flesh:

    John 1:14 "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.  We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."

    The Word that became flesh indicates Jesus who came in the flesh 1,900 years ago.  The Bible says that the Word will judge at the last day.  Unless the Word becomes flesh, how can the Spirit say?  The interpretation of Rev. 22:17 is that Jesus, who cried out on the last day of the Feast of Tabernacles 1,900 years ago, will come again in the flesh and cry out.

    I could keep typing, but even reading the whole chapter, no where does he say that the bride is a "mother god."  If you think he does, please quote that part for me so I can find what you are talking about.

    #53070

    WMS brother
    Member

    Genny,

    That confusion is because the Adam and Eve story is used as a prophecy for several different things according to God throughout the bible.

    On one hand its literal, Adam and Eve got kicked out. On one hand its a blueprint for a 6,000 year plan. On another hand its about the saints and Jesus following thme to earth because he loves them. Also Adam is a pattern of the one to come, which is mentioned in two seperate cases, once again for the saints, and once again as the spirit adn the bride.

    It also represents the last eve being the Mother of All the Living. Or in other words, the Mother of All of Us.

    The Mystery of God and the spring of the water of life, chapter 35, the spring of the water of life.

    It is preculiar in this chapter he does not call Eve the saints, or jerusalem the saints, or the bride the saints.

    Instead he discusses the Spirit and the Bride and how the Word must take literal form in the flesh, because the spirit and the bride are BOTH speaking words. Words that need to be spoken in reality, by people with mouths. In plural, the spirit AND the bride.

    This is not to say the bride is not us, for we are already among us, but what form the Bride whom we have yet to encounter, will take.

    #53069

    Simon
    Participant

    wms brother. you claim you joined to debunk the group . you come across as Scully from the X-Files almost… anyways it would be interesting if you shared with us your own doubts and research much like Gennys website but from your perspective of how you feel your suspicions were resolved.

    #53068

    genny
    Participant

    WMS brother wrote:

    "in what form will the bride appear?" is a question that is answered pretty directly in another one of his books. I'll give you a hint, its about coming in the flesh.

    Instead of giving a hint, why not just say it directly?

    The books that I have read by Ahnsahnghong say that the bride/last eve are the saints.

    #53067

    WMS brother
    Member

    Elievalkyrie

    Please do not ignore:

    ""in what form will the bride appear?" is a question that is answered pretty directly in another one of his books. I'll give you a hint, its about coming in the flesh."

    My suspicions are not unfounded.

    It has nothing to do with "Sticking" to the WMS. I test verses and history, and have posted a great lot of that in the past few days. My faith is firm not because of the WMS, but in spite of the WMS. I joined them, not as some sheep, but as someone who wanted to blow holes in the doctine of this "cult" to stop another "Friend" of mine who joined.

    To my suprise it held up to heavy scrutiny. Scrutiny that was more tedious than anything that I've seen here so far. And the surprising things I learned after that were like nirvana. That is why I question this site, which provides nothing nearly as thoroughly convincing as the pictures, and videos, and history books.

    Sorry, but edited texts and controversial marriage shams told second and thirdhand aren't compelling, NOR do they disprove the prophecies which I DO actually base my faith upon.

    #53066

    I’d love to have this, is it only for the droid phones? Could I get it on a regular PC or iPhone?

    #53065

    Elievalkyrie
    Member

    WMS brother wrote:

     

    There are a few different versions of "Ahn-Sahng-Hong"'s books out, all with a variety of edits and frankly quite irregular verbage. Browsing through theese sometimes I think that different people wrote them. Or at the very least, radical edits were made.

     

    So whom do you think made these radical edits or do I have to ask? You are not loyal to Ahn's teachings, you are loyal to the WMS so whatever you find that doesn't coincide with their teachings you considered "false" or "edited". Your mind is close over the matter. You are not here to exchange ideas, you are just here to impose your own ideas.

     

    I will continue to read the series that sticks to the verses correctly, as father Ahn-Sahng-Hong has actually done, provided by the WMS.

     

    See? Still sticking to WMS, other statements are lies as long as it's not in support with WMS. 

    #53064

    WMS brother
    Member

    I'm going to take just a small portion of an elsewhere posted related topic, and present it here:

    Defining the Bride as a literal heavenly city is backwards.

    The Heavenly city is a SPIRITUAL city, whom is called our mother.

    Opposite to the ludicrous notion that a literal copy of Jerusalem will hover of Isreal, the -metaphor- is explained in greater detail to be the Bride of Christ, whom will be revealed to us, and speak actual words.

    The spiritual Jerusalem is the Bride in reality, not the other way around.

    There are a few different versions of "Ahn-Sahng-Hong"'s books out, all with a variety of edits and frankly quite irregular verbage. Browsing through theese sometimes I think that different people wrote them. Or at the very least, radical edits were made.

    I will continue to read the series that sticks to the verses correctly, as father Ahn-Sahng-Hong has actually done, provided by the WMS.

    Suffice to say, "in what form will the bride appear?" is a question that is answered pretty directly in another one of his books. I'll give you a hint, its about coming in the flesh.

    #53063

    KF
    Member

    Ok Simon, can you please tell me about this part, if you read it already;   Thanks!

     

     The booklet also gives detailed testimony on who the bride is mentioned in the Bible, on how proper interpretation should be and what the true nature of the Heavenly Jerusalem is.

     

    #53062

    Simon
    Participant

    No I cannot C&P unfortunately

    #53061

    KF
    Member

    no! don't skim through, take your time, this is crucial conversation 😉  can you copy & paste?

    #53060

    Simon
    Participant

    skimming through he seems to interpret that Book of Life in Heaven as bound to whether you go to his church not some roster which we fill out on earth

    #53059

    KF
    Member

    Wait for it….Wait for it… tell me more Simon!!!!

    #53058

    Simon
    Participant

    I read chapter 1 it definitely does not agree with WMSCOG doctrine nice lol

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