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- June 6, 2012 at 7:36 PM#6816Love'n HoneyParticipant
My 1st question about the bible, who is God?
- June 7, 2012 at 10:44 PM #43014
Love'n HoneyParticipantThat last part about some lady in Korea is not necessary. I opened this thread hoping to escape any theories being claimed incorrect. None of the questions I'll ask are to trick or lead someone's thought process a certain way. These are simply things I don't understand & would like to know what the Scripture says about it.
Now, how can gender nuetral be feminine or masculine if it's nuetral? Like the word "the".. it is nuetral. Neither feminine nor masculine.
Also, why is Elohim plural? After learning this, it would make sense that there are multiple dieties.
June 7, 2012 at 10:44 PM #8671
Love'n HoneyParticipantThat last part about some lady in Korea is not necessary. I opened this thread hoping to escape any theories being claimed incorrect. None of the questions I'll ask are to trick or lead someone's thought process a certain way. These are simply things I don't understand & would like to know what the Scripture says about it.
Now, how can gender nuetral be feminine or masculine if it's nuetral? Like the word "the".. it is nuetral. Neither feminine nor masculine.
Also, why is Elohim plural? After learning this, it would make sense that there are multiple dieties.
June 8, 2012 at 1:38 AM #8543
Love'n HoneyParticipantI read the 1st part of part II of some elohim link listed in a different thread. I was told that the Hebrew language doesn't have "he" or "she". Is this true? If it is, the 1st part of part II doesn't make sense to me.
June 8, 2012 at 1:38 AM #43015
Love'n HoneyParticipantI read the 1st part of part II of some elohim link listed in a different thread. I was told that the Hebrew language doesn't have "he" or "she". Is this true? If it is, the 1st part of part II doesn't make sense to me.
June 8, 2012 at 1:44 AM #8544
gennyParticipantrenita.payno wrote:
I read the 1st part of part II of some elohim link listed in a different thread. I was told that the Hebrew language doesn't have "he" or "she". Is this true? If it is, the 1st part of part II doesn't make sense to me.
The Hebrew language doesn't have 'it,' only 'he' and 'she'. Does that help?
June 8, 2012 at 1:44 AM #43016
gennyParticipantrenita.payno wrote:
I read the 1st part of part II of some elohim link listed in a different thread. I was told that the Hebrew language doesn't have "he" or "she". Is this true? If it is, the 1st part of part II doesn't make sense to me.
The Hebrew language doesn't have 'it,' only 'he' and 'she'. Does that help?
June 8, 2012 at 1:54 AM #8545
Love'n HoneyParticipantgenny wrote:
renita.payno wrote:
I read the 1st part of part II of some elohim link listed in a different thread. I was told that the Hebrew language doesn't have "he" or "she". Is this true? If it is, the 1st part of part II doesn't make sense to me.
The Hebrew language doesn't have 'it,' only 'he' and 'she'. Does that help?
Ok, I must've gotten my information mixed up. What version is that web page using? Because when I looked up the verse in Job about "we" being "an animal", in the versions I read, that same verse said, "we" being "cattle" or "beasts" both of which are plural.
June 8, 2012 at 1:54 AM #43017
Love'n HoneyParticipantgenny wrote:
renita.payno wrote:
I read the 1st part of part II of some elohim link listed in a different thread. I was told that the Hebrew language doesn't have "he" or "she". Is this true? If it is, the 1st part of part II doesn't make sense to me.
The Hebrew language doesn't have 'it,' only 'he' and 'she'. Does that help?
Ok, I must've gotten my information mixed up. What version is that web page using? Because when I looked up the verse in Job about "we" being "an animal", in the versions I read, that same verse said, "we" being "cattle" or "beasts" both of which are plural.
June 8, 2012 at 1:55 AM #8537
gennyParticipantWhich passage in Job are you looking up? I'll look too.
June 8, 2012 at 1:55 AM #43018
gennyParticipantWhich passage in Job are you looking up? I'll look too.
June 8, 2012 at 2:17 AM #8540
Love'n HoneyParticipantJob 18:3
June 8, 2012 at 2:17 AM #43019
Love'n HoneyParticipantJob 18:3
June 8, 2012 at 3:10 AM #8535
gennyParticipantI am glad someone's reading that Elohim link! Thank you!
Here it is again for anyone who needs it to refer to:
part 1: http://www.israelofgod.org/elohim1.htm
part 2: http://www.israelofgod.org/elohim2.htm
part 3: http://www.israelofgod.org/elohim3.htm
You were reading the part about how a single person might use the word 'we.' Here's the part from the article:
<font color=”#351b00″ size=”3″>Job's companion, Bildad the Shuchite complains to Job, "Why have we been considered as an animal, as stupid (pl) in your eyes" (Job 18:3). When Bildad says "we" he is not referring to himself and his two companions. Were this the case he would have said, "Why have we been considered as animals". The fact that Bildad complains that he has been considered "an animal" in the singular proves he is only talking about himself. While Bildad is not in a royal court he uses the royal we because he is partaking in a royal court-like audience. Before being tested by God, Job had been a local nobleman with great wealth (Job 1:3). After losing everything, Job sat on the floor (like a king sits on his throne) surrounded by his companions who came to comfort him and give him advice (like a king's courtiers)</font>
Most English versions seem to use the word "cattle" instead of "animal." The author of the article is Jewish, so he is most likely using a Jewish version. Maybe loocpoc can tell us what it's called?
I checked with Strongs, and the word is "bahemah," which is defined "properly a dumb beast; especially any large quadruped or animal (often collectively): — beast, cattle." It does not have a plural ending.
It does seem to fit better here as a collective noun (cattle). I would expect that a Jewish scholar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehemiah_Gordon) would know what he's talking about regarding the Hebrew language, but interlinearbible.org is not working right now, so I can't double check it.
June 8, 2012 at 3:10 AM #43020
gennyParticipantI am glad someone's reading that Elohim link! Thank you!
Here it is again for anyone who needs it to refer to:
part 1: http://www.israelofgod.org/elohim1.htm
part 2: http://www.israelofgod.org/elohim2.htm
part 3: http://www.israelofgod.org/elohim3.htm
You were reading the part about how a single person might use the word 'we.' Here's the part from the article:
<font color=”#351b00″ size=”3″>Job's companion, Bildad the Shuchite complains to Job, "Why have we been considered as an animal, as stupid (pl) in your eyes" (Job 18:3). When Bildad says "we" he is not referring to himself and his two companions. Were this the case he would have said, "Why have we been considered as animals". The fact that Bildad complains that he has been considered "an animal" in the singular proves he is only talking about himself. While Bildad is not in a royal court he uses the royal we because he is partaking in a royal court-like audience. Before being tested by God, Job had been a local nobleman with great wealth (Job 1:3). After losing everything, Job sat on the floor (like a king sits on his throne) surrounded by his companions who came to comfort him and give him advice (like a king's courtiers)</font>
Most English versions seem to use the word "cattle" instead of "animal." The author of the article is Jewish, so he is most likely using a Jewish version. Maybe loocpoc can tell us what it's called?
I checked with Strongs, and the word is "bahemah," which is defined "properly a dumb beast; especially any large quadruped or animal (often collectively): — beast, cattle." It does not have a plural ending.
It does seem to fit better here as a collective noun (cattle). I would expect that a Jewish scholar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehemiah_Gordon) would know what he's talking about regarding the Hebrew language, but interlinearbible.org is not working right now, so I can't double check it.
June 8, 2012 at 4:16 PM #43021
Love'n HoneyParticipantGenny:
When I clicked the link I immediately closed it. It's just a bunch of words & it seemed to go on & on & on….. I can understand why someone wouldn't read it. It didn't spark my interest. But I opened it again & skimmed through it. As I was skimming I saw some things that peaked my interested & actually read most of it. I skimmed the end part. I also wanted to ask my Brother concerning the royal we Daniel used. I'm going to read that chapter 1st but I am interested in what he thinks about it. I definitely need to read the counsil part because I didn't quite understand it.
June 8, 2012 at 4:16 PM #8531
Love'n HoneyParticipantGenny:
When I clicked the link I immediately closed it. It's just a bunch of words & it seemed to go on & on & on….. I can understand why someone wouldn't read it. It didn't spark my interest. But I opened it again & skimmed through it. As I was skimming I saw some things that peaked my interested & actually read most of it. I skimmed the end part. I also wanted to ask my Brother concerning the royal we Daniel used. I'm going to read that chapter 1st but I am interested in what he thinks about it. I definitely need to read the counsil part because I didn't quite understand it.
June 8, 2012 at 5:41 PM #8533
gennyParticipantThe article is kind of daunting when you first see it. But if you read it, I think it does have a lot of interesting things to say.
It's kind of like the books my kids read. They are getting bigger now, and can read chapter books. I'll give them a great book, but when they open it and see all the words (and no pictures :), they get overwhelmed and don't want to even start. But if they actually read it (or listen to me read it), they love it. So I guess the point is, don't get scared off. ๐
June 8, 2012 at 5:41 PM #43022
gennyParticipantThe article is kind of daunting when you first see it. But if you read it, I think it does have a lot of interesting things to say.
It's kind of like the books my kids read. They are getting bigger now, and can read chapter books. I'll give them a great book, but when they open it and see all the words (and no pictures :), they get overwhelmed and don't want to even start. But if they actually read it (or listen to me read it), they love it. So I guess the point is, don't get scared off. ๐
June 8, 2012 at 5:44 PM #43023
king34Participanthey genny have you seen the website that the church of god created regarding slanderes of their truth
June 8, 2012 at 5:44 PM #8528
king34Participanthey genny have you seen the website that the church of god created regarding slanderes of their truth
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