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Rev. 12:7-9
And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
The wmscog teaches that people are the angels who were cast out of heaven. What about satan? He was cast out of heaven too, but was he put into a human body? Which one? Wouldn't he be dead and gone now? Or was he cast out differently than the other bad angels.
How many bad angels were there? There are approximately 7 billion people on earth right now, plus all those who previously lived. Are there that many fallen angels? Of have some of them been reincarnated into humans over and over again?
Rev. 12:4 can be interpreted that the fallen angels were about 1/3 of all angels. Does that mean there are 14+ billion good angels still in heaven?
I know not everyone on this forum is a Christian or believes in satan the same way, but just go with it for now… If the wmscog were right about the fallen angels doctrine, what impact would that have on who satan is?
And wmscog members, you can help clear this up. How does it all fit together?
And while we are at it, how about babies who die or are born handicapped, disfigured, or otherwise 'defective' (for lack of a better word)? Did they deserve it because of their sin in heaven? How are they and their parents treated by the wmscog? What does the wmscog teach about them?
(PS — I'm a parent myself, and I don't mean to be cruel or offensive with the wording, but rather than step lightly to avoid hurt feelings, I'd like to get to the root of the issue.)
The feasts are the day you’re forgiven for your previous sin. The sabbath makes you holy and gives you rest and blessings. 3rd day is to commemorate mothers sacrifice. There is no forgiveness of sin on those days. If you commit sin against god between the PO and the day of atonement or between the day of atonement and the PO and you died, let’s pray to F&M that they will have mercy on you. One boy died in the “truth” in SD zion. The parents couldn’t really grieve because we were supposed to be happy her was taken away from this sinful world. And nothing happens until the appointed time. Literally the time. A specific hour of a specific day. They also stressed the appointed times there.
And I was taught that forgiveness of sins was on sabbath and third day as well as feasts. It is fun to see how "consistent" it all is.
renita.payno wrote:
The feasts are the day you're forgiven for your previous sin. The sabbath makes you holy and gives you rest and blessings. 3rd day is to commemorate mothers sacrifice. There is no forgiveness of sin on those days. If you commit sin against god between the PO and the day of atonement or between the day of atonement and the PO and you died, let's pray to F&M that they will have mercy on you. One boy died in the "truth" in SD zion. The parents couldn't really grieve because we were supposed to be happy her was taken away from this sinful world. And nothing happens until the appointed time. Literally the time. A specific hour of a specific day. They also stressed the appointed times there.
Hold on! what a boy died in the truth, WHAT TRUTH as it was explain to me once your baptize, keep passover & stay in Zion nothing will happen to you, including death until Father comes, because the Passover protects you from all bad things & disaters, and we are living in the last days, therefore no plague or disater can strike those who keep God's command. The Passover is like a sheild, they even have a video on that.
Another thing did they have a funeral service for him, I also heared they tell members not to attend funerals for others because of the believers faith, the priest, and idols, and because Jesus said let the dead bury the dead, come follow me. Wow how could that boy have been unprotected???? and what appointed time are you speaking off…a time to die…a time to open up your eyes and realize that this is all false!
My first deacon said he had been to funerals for members.
and same for weddings my "branch" was preached to at a wedding of a nonmember
What about the boy who died in SD zion, as Renita said, I want to know why he died if he was in the truth and did passover. This is what my friend is preaching to me and I just had the lesson of the passover and he told me just like the Isrealites where protected when God sent the plaques over Egypt because they put the blood of a one year old lamb on the doors of their homes as a symbol of being God's people, it was a sign to passover them and protect them, so the new covenant passover works the same way. When you keep Passover you are protected from harm.
he told me how many brothers & sisters had been in car accidents or situations and nothing bad has happen to them, so WHY DID THAT BOY DIE if he was a zion member. Something is wrong here.
Renita when was it that this boy died? How did he die? please tell me
You are mistaken about the PO. It does not protect you from physical death. It protects you from spiritual death, from going to hell. The boy who died is believed to be one of the great multitude. Anyone who remains living after fathers coming, they are the 144,000. And there was a funeral service at zion. Not a wake or memorial because we aren’t supposed to celebrate the flesh but the spirit which is why we were supposed to glad for his spirit. I was told funerals are bad and that clowns were originally hanging around funerals to represent the spirit of death. That’s why they aren’t funny…..
Simon, how was it taught that sabbath and 3rd day gives you the forgiveness of sins?
I think it was during my 1st year there. He had a disease. I think it made him have seizures or something. He was sent to the hospital but never recovered from his attack.
I think what the study was trying to point out is that after keeping the PO, you have a mission to complete. Only when your mission is complete do you taste death. John kept the PO and people tried to kill him. But he wouldn’t die because he still had a mission to complete. But…. he still died, once he was done with the gospel.
Typo, there was NOT a funeral service at zion. None, nada, zip…
renita.payno wrote:
You are mistaken about the PO. It does not protect you from physical death. It protects you from spiritual death, from going to hell. The boy who died is believed to be one of the great multitude. Anyone who remains living after fathers coming, they are the 144,000. And there was a funeral service at zion. Not a wake or memorial because we aren't supposed to celebrate the flesh but the spirit which is why we were supposed to glad for his spirit. I was told funerals are bad and that clowns were originally hanging around funerals to represent the spirit of death. That's why they aren't funny…..
Simon, how was it taught that sabbath and 3rd day gives you the forgiveness of sins?
What wait I am so confused, there seems to be different teachings & understandings by location, I am telling you i just did the passover study and this was what i was taught (can another member or ex-member verify this please) Passover protects you Physically & Spiritually
oh and the 144,000 are the ones that get caught up alive in the air to meet Father and change in a twinkle of an eye before he comes with fire to destroy the world, then the rest are the great multitude,who will suffer a little & will eventualy die, but ressurected back and go to heaven.
So why do you say anyone who remains living after Father comes are the 144,000? like I said there seems to be very different teachings & understanding & explanations of things, per location.
Are you a current member or ex member?
and here is the video from youtube that shows that the passover protects you physically, this is what he showed me along with the study. http://youtu.be/EGYu5gpdpeY
That is not what I was taught or what I taught. I was a.. tutor in the church and held many bible studies outside of zion. There will be a huge destruction and the 144000 will see all of there brothers and sisters die. I remember this because one sister in my group kept saying how she doesn’t think she would be able to handle being the 144000 and watch all the disasters happen. She joked that she wants to be the great multitude and be one of the first to die. My missionary was there and didn’t correct her. Plus, the NT is spiritual. There’s a study about that too. Almost nothing in the NT speaks about physical things.
well as you can see, as per our conversation & their video, they teach different things at different locations. I just wonder why would they do that. Is it to cover themselves up if something goes wrong, by having half the members believing one thing and the other half another that way they can say, "we never said that" Example: 2012 Fathers coming, ark to be completed in 2012,( all said by mother) last passover, & end of preaching???
Also let me reitterate* that once you accept father and mother and keep the PO, you have a mission to fulfill. You can’t fulfill it if you’re dead. So it is believed that father and mother protect you physically so you can accomplish the gospel work. But we don’t focus on the physical because its not supposed to matter
renita.payno wrote:
Also let me reitterate* that once you accept father and mother and keep the PO, you have a mission to fulfill. You can't fulfill it if you're dead. So it is believed that father and mother protect you physically so you can accomplish the gospel work. But we don't focus on the physical because its not supposed to matter
read what i wrote above this i think we crossed words by seconds…..also do you believe in their teachings?
I was told that this years PO was the last one. This means that no one will be on this earth by the 13th day of the 1st month 2013.
There are some things I agree with but I’m an all or nothing kind of person. I don’t attend their services anymore.
renita.payno wrote:
I was told that this years PO was the last one. This means that no one will be on this earth by the 13th day of the 1st month 2013.
Wow! so what happen to Jan 1. 2013 why the 13 of Jan. and if nothing happens after that, then common sense, unless the Koreans in the North are planning a secert attack on us, that the south knows about, therefore creating WW3.
Not the 13th of January. The 13th day of the 1st month according to the sacred calendar. I chose that day because it is the day before the PO. If there aren’t to be anymore POs kept, no one must be on this earth by then. Why? Because once the 14th day comes mother will be revealed as a fraud because she said there won’t be anymore POs.
Idk if my words are making sense. I’m having a hard time turning the visual in mind into words.
renita.payno wrote:
Not the 13th of January. The 13th day of the 1st month according to the sacred calendar. I chose that day because it is the day before the PO. If there aren't to be anymore POs kept, no one must be on this earth by then. Why? Because once the 14th day comes mother will be revealed as a fraud because she said there won't be anymore POs.
Idk if my words are making sense. I'm having a hard time turning the visual in mind into words.
Ah ok I get it now….you mean in April 2013, but even so they were telling older members that the end would be 2012. So yeah i guess the members will have to open up their eyes and realize it on Jan 1, 2013 or for those who still believe them it would be next passover 2013.
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