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Rev. 12:7-9
And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
The wmscog teaches that people are the angels who were cast out of heaven. What about satan? He was cast out of heaven too, but was he put into a human body? Which one? Wouldn't he be dead and gone now? Or was he cast out differently than the other bad angels.
How many bad angels were there? There are approximately 7 billion people on earth right now, plus all those who previously lived. Are there that many fallen angels? Of have some of them been reincarnated into humans over and over again?
Rev. 12:4 can be interpreted that the fallen angels were about 1/3 of all angels. Does that mean there are 14+ billion good angels still in heaven?
I know not everyone on this forum is a Christian or believes in satan the same way, but just go with it for now… If the wmscog were right about the fallen angels doctrine, what impact would that have on who satan is?
And wmscog members, you can help clear this up. How does it all fit together?
And while we are at it, how about babies who die or are born handicapped, disfigured, or otherwise 'defective' (for lack of a better word)? Did they deserve it because of their sin in heaven? How are they and their parents treated by the wmscog? What does the wmscog teach about them?
(PS — I'm a parent myself, and I don't mean to be cruel or offensive with the wording, but rather than step lightly to avoid hurt feelings, I'd like to get to the root of the issue.)
your not giving a real answer on why he had to have children..your just saying that he had to because he needed to go preaching before the age of 30. he was preaching way befpre that when he was a adventist.
your not giving a real answer on why he had to have children..your just saying that he had to because he needed to go preaching before the age of 30. he was preaching way befpre that when he was a adventist.
um no he wasn't an adventist until 30
um no he wasn't an adventist until 30
ok what happend to the other part of my question that you havent answerd?
ok what happend to the other part of my question that you havent answerd?
king34 wrote:
why did he need to have children ? I thought he was here to restore the truth not to bare fallen angels from heaven .
Amen! I don't understand why people in Zion get excited to find out they're pregnant. That just means another sinner is to be born. No more sinners!!
king34 wrote:
your not giving a real answer on why he had to have children..your just saying that he had to because he needed to go preaching before the age of 30. he was preaching way befpre that when he was a adventist.
Shimon:
Are you saying that if Ahnsahnghong were to have children, He would have to have them before He was baptized? Or are you saying Ahnsahnghong had to have children according to a prophecy? What I think is being said is the former. Because I haven't seen any prophecy where the 2ndCC must bare children then begin preaching.
king34 wrote:
why did he need to have children ? I thought he was here to restore the truth not to bare fallen angels from heaven .
Amen! I don't understand why people in Zion get excited to find out they're pregnant. That just means another sinner is to be born. No more sinners!!
king34 wrote:
your not giving a real answer on why he had to have children..your just saying that he had to because he needed to go preaching before the age of 30. he was preaching way befpre that when he was a adventist.
Shimon:
Are you saying that if Ahnsahnghong were to have children, He would have to have them before He was baptized? Or are you saying Ahnsahnghong had to have children according to a prophecy? What I think is being said is the former. Because I haven't seen any prophecy where the 2ndCC must bare children then begin preaching.
I used to shoplift… a lot! It was funny when people didn't realize what was happening, especially with such poor planning.
Thanks for confirming the fact I'm going to HELL…………………. 
I used to shoplift… a lot! It was funny when people didn't realize what was happening, especially with such poor planning.
Thanks for confirming the fact I'm going to HELL…………………. renita.payno wrote:
king34 wrote:
why did he need to have children ? I thought he was here to restore the truth not to bare fallen angels from heaven .
Amen! I don't understand why people in Zion get excited to find out they're pregnant. That just means another sinner is to be born. No more sinners!!
The sinners are our brother's and sister who were deceived by satan not just evil scumbags. Further we have to understand that God willed them to be born we should always rejoice in God's will being served.
king34 wrote:
your not giving a real answer on why he had to have children..your just saying that he had to because he needed to go preaching before the age of 30. he was preaching way befpre that when he was a adventist.
Shimon:
Are you saying that if Ahnsahnghong were to have children, He would have to have them before He was baptized? Or are you saying Ahnsahnghong had to have children according to a prophecy? What I think is being said is the former. Because I haven't seen any prophecy where the 2ndCC must bare children then begin preaching.
More the first than the second.
renita.payno wrote:
king34 wrote:
why did he need to have children ? I thought he was here to restore the truth not to bare fallen angels from heaven .
Amen! I don't understand why people in Zion get excited to find out they're pregnant. That just means another sinner is to be born. No more sinners!!
The sinners are our brother's and sister who were deceived by satan not just evil scumbags. Further we have to understand that God willed them to be born we should always rejoice in God's will being served.
king34 wrote:
your not giving a real answer on why he had to have children..your just saying that he had to because he needed to go preaching before the age of 30. he was preaching way befpre that when he was a adventist.
Shimon:
Are you saying that if Ahnsahnghong were to have children, He would have to have them before He was baptized? Or are you saying Ahnsahnghong had to have children according to a prophecy? What I think is being said is the former. Because I haven't seen any prophecy where the 2ndCC must bare children then begin preaching.
More the first than the second.
renita.payno wrote:
I used to shoplift… a lot! It was funny when people didn't realize what was happening, especially with such poor planning.
Thanks for confirming the fact I'm going to HELL…………………. As you note I mentioned mitigating circumstances exist I cannot possibly know them all. As I said I cannot know who is or is not an intentional sinner but not all sin is intentional.
renita.payno wrote:
I used to shoplift… a lot! It was funny when people didn't realize what was happening, especially with such poor planning.
Thanks for confirming the fact I'm going to HELL…………………. As you note I mentioned mitigating circumstances exist I cannot possibly know them all. As I said I cannot know who is or is not an intentional sinner but not all sin is intentional.
shimon wrote:
genny wrote:
Why did he have to have children before he was 30?
He had to have them before he started preaching the Gospel, which was at 30
Why?
So he could spend his time preaching not focusing on physical children.
Nope I would say it depends on your knowledge of right and wrong and developmental capacity. But assuming an adult with fully functional standard development I would think it would be intentional sin.
And would the adultery example be intentinal sin also?
Possibly, possibly not it is possible to sin without intent to sin.
shimon wrote:
genny wrote:
Why did he have to have children before he was 30?
He had to have them before he started preaching the Gospel, which was at 30
Why?
So he could spend his time preaching not focusing on physical children.
Nope I would say it depends on your knowledge of right and wrong and developmental capacity. But assuming an adult with fully functional standard development I would think it would be intentional sin.
And would the adultery example be intentinal sin also?
Possibly, possibly not it is possible to sin without intent to sin.
genny wrote:
shimon wrote:
genny wrote:
Why did he have to have children before he was 30?
He had to have them before he started preaching the Gospel, which was at 30
Why?
Why should they have to conform to the prejudices of this world if they are gods?
now to go back, earlier we were talking about intentional sin…
Jesus did.
How so?
Php 2:6-8 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death–even death on a cross!
I think we misunderstand each other here. I did not say "conform to this world", but "conform to the prejudices of this world."
I thought the age problem was because society would look down on him for 'robbing the cradle,' and why should he care about what society cares for such a thing if they are gods.
Jesus had a similar attitude to society's attitudes. He kept company with sinners.
When Father was 30 she would have been 4 years old I think there is more than human morality involved Mother would very likely have been physiologically incapable of bearing children at that point.
genny wrote:
shimon wrote:
genny wrote:
Why did he have to have children before he was 30?
He had to have them before he started preaching the Gospel, which was at 30
Why?
Why should they have to conform to the prejudices of this world if they are gods?
now to go back, earlier we were talking about intentional sin…
Jesus did.
How so?
Php 2:6-8 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death–even death on a cross!
I think we misunderstand each other here. I did not say "conform to this world", but "conform to the prejudices of this world."
I thought the age problem was because society would look down on him for 'robbing the cradle,' and why should he care about what society cares for such a thing if they are gods.
Jesus had a similar attitude to society's attitudes. He kept company with sinners.
When Father was 30 she would have been 4 years old I think there is more than human morality involved Mother would very likely have been physiologically incapable of bearing children at that point.
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