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Rev. 12:7-9
And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
The wmscog teaches that people are the angels who were cast out of heaven. What about satan? He was cast out of heaven too, but was he put into a human body? Which one? Wouldn't he be dead and gone now? Or was he cast out differently than the other bad angels.
How many bad angels were there? There are approximately 7 billion people on earth right now, plus all those who previously lived. Are there that many fallen angels? Of have some of them been reincarnated into humans over and over again?
Rev. 12:4 can be interpreted that the fallen angels were about 1/3 of all angels. Does that mean there are 14+ billion good angels still in heaven?
I know not everyone on this forum is a Christian or believes in satan the same way, but just go with it for now… If the wmscog were right about the fallen angels doctrine, what impact would that have on who satan is?
And wmscog members, you can help clear this up. How does it all fit together?
And while we are at it, how about babies who die or are born handicapped, disfigured, or otherwise 'defective' (for lack of a better word)? Did they deserve it because of their sin in heaven? How are they and their parents treated by the wmscog? What does the wmscog teach about them?
(PS — I'm a parent myself, and I don't mean to be cruel or offensive with the wording, but rather than step lightly to avoid hurt feelings, I'd like to get to the root of the issue.)
ok. well like the bible said our thoughts and gods thoughts are very different .I just think we are way over our heads in trying to understand the whole satan vs god situation. we know only the tip of the ice berg . we dont truly know the extent of satans power or if he even capable of killing god, even tho in the bible he tried and did not succeed.
ok. well like the bible said our thoughts and gods thoughts are very different .I just think we are way over our heads in trying to understand the whole satan vs god situation. we know only the tip of the ice berg . we dont truly know the extent of satans power or if he even capable of killing god, even tho in the bible he tried and did not succeed.
king34 wrote:
ok. well like the bible said our thoughts and gods thoughts are very different .I just think we are way over our heads in trying to understand the whole satan vs god situation. we know only the tip of the ice berg . we dont truly know the extent of satans power or if he even capable of killing god, even tho in the bible he tried and did not succeed.
You are quite humble. Many people say they cannot understand God & such but act as if they know everything. But I feel that every question we have will be answered once we meet God. But what I'm afraid is when I do meet God, I was wrong my whole life. I still think sometimes, What if Jesus wasn't God? What if Jehovah wasn't God? What if everyone is wrong except that random guy in the forest?
king34 wrote:
well like I said ahn never said he was god. The one who said that was mother after she left her old church to start a new one with new doctrines. ahn have some valid points like the whole fallen angel theoris which are believable and also passover and sabbath. I believe those but I never believe the whole mother god thing. it just does not make sence. but one question for you is this..if ahn is god why did he dye if the scriptures say different..why would he have children with another lady that was not mother..why did mother marry another guy and have children as well ..and why did she sin by leaving her husband and joining ahn?
Idk.. perhaps if I ever got the chance to meet Mother, I would think about asking. Lol. Who am I to ask about anyone's personal life let alone God's! A lot of things don't make sense to me. Like why God would make such a complicated plan for our salvation. But I feel that as a sinner & a creation of God's, I have no right to question what God does or why God did it. Even if I did ask, God surely isn't required to answer me. When I don't understand something about the bible, I'll ask someone but I'm afraid to ask God. Lol. I do, however, prefer asking someone who hasn't heard of the WMSCOG. Their answers are usually more kind & less biased.
king34 wrote:
ok. well like the bible said our thoughts and gods thoughts are very different .I just think we are way over our heads in trying to understand the whole satan vs god situation. we know only the tip of the ice berg . we dont truly know the extent of satans power or if he even capable of killing god, even tho in the bible he tried and did not succeed.
You are quite humble. Many people say they cannot understand God & such but act as if they know everything. But I feel that every question we have will be answered once we meet God. But what I'm afraid is when I do meet God, I was wrong my whole life. I still think sometimes, What if Jesus wasn't God? What if Jehovah wasn't God? What if everyone is wrong except that random guy in the forest?
king34 wrote:
well like I said ahn never said he was god. The one who said that was mother after she left her old church to start a new one with new doctrines. ahn have some valid points like the whole fallen angel theoris which are believable and also passover and sabbath. I believe those but I never believe the whole mother god thing. it just does not make sence. but one question for you is this..if ahn is god why did he dye if the scriptures say different..why would he have children with another lady that was not mother..why did mother marry another guy and have children as well ..and why did she sin by leaving her husband and joining ahn?
Idk.. perhaps if I ever got the chance to meet Mother, I would think about asking. Lol. Who am I to ask about anyone's personal life let alone God's! A lot of things don't make sense to me. Like why God would make such a complicated plan for our salvation. But I feel that as a sinner & a creation of God's, I have no right to question what God does or why God did it. Even if I did ask, God surely isn't required to answer me. When I don't understand something about the bible, I'll ask someone but I'm afraid to ask God. Lol. I do, however, prefer asking someone who hasn't heard of the WMSCOG. Their answers are usually more kind & less biased.
king34 wrote:
well like I said ahn never said he was god. The one who said that was mother after she left her old church to start a new one with new doctrines. ahn have some valid points like the whole fallen angel theoris which are believable and also passover and sabbath. I believe those but I never believe the whole mother god thing. it just does not make sence.
Actually she did not start a new Church the Church split (if you want to argue NCPCOG is the one who stayed true so be it but the majority of the church elders picked the wrong side then)
but one question for you is this..if ahn is god why did he dye if the scriptures say different..why would he have children with another lady that was not mother..why did mother marry another guy and have children as well ..and why did she sin by leaving her husband and joining ahn?
That's four questions
1)It doesn't say different
2)If you understand why Jesus showing us how to be a Son didn't have children you can understand why he did when He came revealing Himself as our Father. He could not marry Mother as she was a couple of decades younger than him, she is just a few years older than he was when he died now. We could take the last aspect of the question to absurdity why did Mary cheat on Joseph and allow God to impregnate her with Jesus when she was married to him?
3)See my answer to three and reverse it to female,
4)That's if she left him and he didn't leave her. Further as she never actually married him.
king34 wrote:
well like I said ahn never said he was god. The one who said that was mother after she left her old church to start a new one with new doctrines. ahn have some valid points like the whole fallen angel theoris which are believable and also passover and sabbath. I believe those but I never believe the whole mother god thing. it just does not make sence.
Actually she did not start a new Church the Church split (if you want to argue NCPCOG is the one who stayed true so be it but the majority of the church elders picked the wrong side then)
but one question for you is this..if ahn is god why did he dye if the scriptures say different..why would he have children with another lady that was not mother..why did mother marry another guy and have children as well ..and why did she sin by leaving her husband and joining ahn?
That's four questions
1)It doesn't say different
2)If you understand why Jesus showing us how to be a Son didn't have children you can understand why he did when He came revealing Himself as our Father. He could not marry Mother as she was a couple of decades younger than him, she is just a few years older than he was when he died now. We could take the last aspect of the question to absurdity why did Mary cheat on Joseph and allow God to impregnate her with Jesus when she was married to him?
3)See my answer to three and reverse it to female,
4)That's if she left him and he didn't leave her. Further as she never actually married him.
and is this your explanation or the cog ?
and is this your explanation or the cog ?
genny wrote:
shimon wrote:
2)If you understand why Jesus showing us how to be a Son didn't have children you can understand why he did when He came revealing Himself as our Father. He could not marry Mother as she was a couple of decades younger than him, she is just a few years older than he was when he died now. We could take the last aspect of the question to absurdity why did Mary cheat on Joseph and allow God to impregnate her with Jesus when she was married to him?
The wmscog teaches that Ahn came as the Holy Spirit, right? If the age of the Father has passed, and the age of the Son has passed, and now is the age of the Spirit and the Bride, as the wmscog teaches, he is not revealing himself as father but holy spirit.
actually among what he teaches he explains how all three are all in fact one person God our Father. That is why he reveals Himself as our Father.
And is there a problem of a 20 year old marrying a 50 year old, if they are both supposed to be gods?
He needed to have children before he was 30 and Mother was 12 in 1955 when father was 37. So yeah it wouldn't be physiologically possible.
Why should they have to conform to the prejudices of this world if they are gods?
now to go back, earlier we were talking about intentional sin…
Jesus did.
What do you mean by "When we sin on earth our motive isn't sin itself"?
If I shoplift because I think it's fun to trick the security guards, is my motive not sin?
Do you shoplift because you think its fun to trick the security gaurds?
genny wrote:
shimon wrote:
2)If you understand why Jesus showing us how to be a Son didn't have children you can understand why he did when He came revealing Himself as our Father. He could not marry Mother as she was a couple of decades younger than him, she is just a few years older than he was when he died now. We could take the last aspect of the question to absurdity why did Mary cheat on Joseph and allow God to impregnate her with Jesus when she was married to him?
The wmscog teaches that Ahn came as the Holy Spirit, right? If the age of the Father has passed, and the age of the Son has passed, and now is the age of the Spirit and the Bride, as the wmscog teaches, he is not revealing himself as father but holy spirit.
actually among what he teaches he explains how all three are all in fact one person God our Father. That is why he reveals Himself as our Father.
And is there a problem of a 20 year old marrying a 50 year old, if they are both supposed to be gods?
He needed to have children before he was 30 and Mother was 12 in 1955 when father was 37. So yeah it wouldn't be physiologically possible.
Why should they have to conform to the prejudices of this world if they are gods?
now to go back, earlier we were talking about intentional sin…
Jesus did.
What do you mean by "When we sin on earth our motive isn't sin itself"?
If I shoplift because I think it's fun to trick the security guards, is my motive not sin?
Do you shoplift because you think its fun to trick the security gaurds?
why did he need to have children ? I thought he was here to restore the truth not to bare fallen angels from heaven .
why did he need to have children ? I thought he was here to restore the truth not to bare fallen angels from heaven .
oh now i understand what you meant to say but if jesus came as the son ..anh is so suppose to come as the holy spirit not as the father again ..because the father was jehova. or am I wrogn ?
oh now i understand what you meant to say but if jesus came as the son ..anh is so suppose to come as the holy spirit not as the father again ..because the father was jehova. or am I wrogn ?
genny wrote:
shimon wrote:
And is there a problem of a 20 year old marrying a 50 year old, if they are both supposed to be gods?
He needed to have children before he was 30 and Mother was 12 in 1955 when father was 37. So yeah it wouldn't be physiologically possible.
Why did he have to have children before he was 30?
He had to have them before he started preaching the Gospel, which was at 30
Why should they have to conform to the prejudices of this world if they are gods?
now to go back, earlier we were talking about intentional sin…
Jesus did.
How so?
Php 2:6-8 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death–even death on a cross!
lol ๐ I don't shoplift at all.
I am glad ๐
Are you avoiding the question?
Nope I would say it depends on your knowledge of right and wrong and developmental capacity. But assuming an adult with fully functional standard development I would think it would be intentional sin.
genny wrote:
shimon wrote:
And is there a problem of a 20 year old marrying a 50 year old, if they are both supposed to be gods?
He needed to have children before he was 30 and Mother was 12 in 1955 when father was 37. So yeah it wouldn't be physiologically possible.
Why did he have to have children before he was 30?
He had to have them before he started preaching the Gospel, which was at 30
Why should they have to conform to the prejudices of this world if they are gods?
now to go back, earlier we were talking about intentional sin…
Jesus did.
How so?
Php 2:6-8 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death–even death on a cross!
lol ๐ I don't shoplift at all.
I am glad ๐
Are you avoiding the question?
Nope I would say it depends on your knowledge of right and wrong and developmental capacity. But assuming an adult with fully functional standard development I would think it would be intentional sin.
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