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Today I was at church listening to my pastor talk about David. We were in the book of Samuel for those who wish to read about part of Davids life for themselves. While I was listening to the sermon I was thinking about how a friend of mine (Who had spent over ten years in the WMSCOG) explained to me how WMS members view everything as hidden truth or prophesy. I started to read a little bit into the sermon I was hearing and this is a rough idea of what I came up with.
David, and his six hundred men, had spent a great deal of time protecting shepards and flocks in the local area. Many times there were thefts and killings between rival tribes in the area. One of the flocks that had been protected by David and his men belonged to a man named Nabal. ( In the Hebrew Nabal means fool or jerk. We'll get back to this later.) The men who kept the flocks for Nabal reported that David and his men treated them very good, nothing was stolen while David and his men were with them. It was like a wall of protection was around the shepards and the sheep while these men were with them. Sometime later David sent a servant to request some provisions (food) from Nabal. This was not an unreasonable request and in no way was it a demand. Nabal prided himself on being a buisnessman with great wealth. He refused David and on top of that replied very offensively. When David was informed of Nabal's responce he became very angry and called him men to arm themselves. It was Davids intention to destroy everyone (family and servant) associated with Nabal. (This is where it got interesting for me as I thought about how the WMS would use this to preach about Zahng.) Abigail was Nabal's wife and when the servants informed her about the was Nabal had responded to David she took it upon herself to correct the situation. She loaded up provisions and headed out to find David on her own. When she found him she humbled herself, chose her words carefully, and was able to calm the wrath of David. (Proverbs 15:1) David was so moved by the nature and actions of Abigail that he thanked her for bringing him to his senses and did not harm anyone. When Abigail returned home Nabal was partying like a king and very drunk. She waited until morning to tell Nabal what she had done and what would have happened because of Nabal's actions. As a result Nabal had a stroke, and he laid paralyzed on his bed like a stone. About ten days later, the lord struck him, and he died. Recognizing that the Lord had avenged the insult and brought judgement against Nabal, David praised the Lord. Then David sent Abigail a message asking her to become his wife and she did.
Does Abigail represent Zahng? I know that there would be an object lesson showing this as a possibility. As she eventually became the wife of David does this mean that David represents Jesus? Who is Nabal? I'm guessing Zahngs ex-husband as the WMS would not want Ahn to be viewed as this person.
As there are lessons that should be learned from this story and course of events I do hope that everyone can see the holes in the idea that this story would represent Zahng or Jesus at all. I have obviously left this open for many comments. I have my own feelings about this story being twisted into something it's not but I am reserving my comments at this time. Please share your thoughts and feelings about this.
Good research keep it up. Try more for better truth result. Keep on searching god will help you.
They would honestly more likely use bathsheba it would fit their doctrine better
Two biggest reasons Its a stronger love story and members are already compared to solomon
With Bathsheba they would have to account for the child who died as a consequence of David/Bathsheba's sin as well. Now who does that child represent?
How many have fallen away 😉
And their sin?
The child's death was a consequence of the sin of the parents. That makes it very interesting.
Joshua wrote:
Today I was at church listening to my pastor talk about David. We were in the book of Samuel for those who wish to read about part of Davids life for themselves. While I was listening to the sermon I was thinking about how a friend of mine (Who had spent over ten years in the WMSCOG) explained to me how WMS members view everything as hidden truth or prophesy. I started to read a little bit into the sermon I was hearing and this is a rough idea of what I came up with.
David, and his six hundred men, had spent a great deal of time protecting shepards and flocks in the local area. Many times there were thefts and killings between rival tribes in the area. One of the flocks that had been protected by David and his men belonged to a man named Nabal. ( In the Hebrew Nabal means fool or jerk. We'll get back to this later.) The men who kept the flocks for Nabal reported that David and his men treated them very good, nothing was stolen while David and his men were with them. It was like a wall of protection was around the shepards and the sheep while these men were with them. Sometime later David sent a servant to request some provisions (food) from Nabal. This was not an unreasonable request and in no way was it a demand. Nabal prided himself on being a buisnessman with great wealth. He refused David and on top of that replied very offensively. When David was informed of Nabal's responce he became very angry and called him men to arm themselves. It was Davids intention to destroy everyone (family and servant) associated with Nabal. (This is where it got interesting for me as I thought about how the WMS would use this to preach about Zahng.) Abigail was Nabal's wife and when the servants informed her about the was Nabal had responded to David she took it upon herself to correct the situation. She loaded up provisions and headed out to find David on her own. When she found him she humbled herself, chose her words carefully, and was able to calm the wrath of David. (Proverbs 15:1) David was so moved by the nature and actions of Abigail that he thanked her for bringing him to his senses and did not harm anyone. When Abigail returned home Nabal was partying like a king and very drunk. She waited until morning to tell Nabal what she had done and what would have happened because of Nabal's actions. As a result Nabal had a stroke, and he laid paralyzed on his bed like a stone. About ten days later, the lord struck him, and he died. Recognizing that the Lord had avenged the insult and brought judgement against Nabal, David praised the Lord. Then David sent Abigail a message asking her to become his wife and she did.
Does Abigail represent Zahng? I know that there would be an object lesson showing this as a possibility. As she eventually became the wife of David does this mean that David represents Jesus? Who is Nabal? I'm guessing Zahngs ex-husband as the WMS would not want Ahn to be viewed as this person.
As there are lessons that should be learned from this story and course of events I do hope that everyone can see the holes in the idea that this story would represent Zahng or Jesus at all. I have obviously left this open for many comments. I have my own feelings about this story being twisted into something it's not but I am reserving my comments at this time. Please share your thoughts and feelings about this.
@Joshua What do you mean by saying "I want to reach WMS members on their own level"?Ultimately they don’t really need to match perfectly that’s really just dishonestly debunking straw man arguments rather than debunking their actual claims
What's a straw man again?
Except they don’t use ye olde english translations and they lose their best argument for gtm if they allow anything beyond the hetero normative
Lol that semi joke also a subtly answers renitas question
A straw man ] is a type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent’s position.
To “attack a straw man” is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the “straw man”), and to refute it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.
Simon wrote:
Lol that semi joke also a subtly answers renitas question
A straw man ] is a type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.
To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and to refute it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.
Ok.. So, it's probably straw man because it looks like the original but actually isn't anywhere close to it.
Yes its the same on superficial glance but once you get past that its just not the same
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