I want to endroute a potential problem.

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  • #7100
    Joshua
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    While I was doing some research I stumbled upon a heretical statement. The Holy Spirit is Female. At first I didn't think much about this because I believe that God has all atributes both male and female. He's male, his spirit is female, all is one, where's the problem? As I looked a bit further into this I had some thoughts like, "Well I guess that Ahn could not have been the "Holy Spirit"." I guess we can use this to prove the WMSCOG wrong. So on and so forth. Upon testing this theory I came up with the FACT that Jesus NEVER referred to the Holy Spirit as a female. As Jesus is God I would naturally assume that he would know. If I or anyone was to believe that the Holy Spirit is female then we would have to accept that Jesus lied. This is not something I am willing to do! Jesus always refered to the Holy Spirit as Him, He, or male in reference. I am going to follow Gods lead on this and in turn warn you about this before you get blindsided by it. Bringing you into the light, Joshua.

  • #51847

    Simon
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    my understanding is the Greek always uses neuter words

    #51848

    Joshua
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    There seems to be some dispute over the Greek word used in certain areas reguarding the Holy Spirit. From what I have read there are some people who don't understand the rules of the Greek language. We find the same problem with Elohim in the Hebrew and the lack of understanding the rules of the Hebrew language. I do hope it is understood that Jesus never refered to the Holy Spirit as a female. This is one of those things that could shake someones faith and I hope that by addressing it early no one here will fall victum. 

    #51849

    Elievalkyrie
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    God doesn’t need to have any gender. He is God, He is what He wants to be. He is not limited like humans are by such petty things like gender or whatever else. But since people in the ancient times were a strict patriarchal society, male always have a dominating role in the family. that is maybe why God made Himself to be manifested as a male figure to somehow symbolize full authority. But I do not presume to know any of His reasons with full certainty, all I know is that man was made to rule over the earth and woman was made to be man’s helper only.

    #51850

    Joshua
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    I can only speculate that you see the problem with the origional post and the reasoning I use to dispute it. There are several traits of the Holy Spirit that can be viewed by people as feminine but by saying that the Holy Spirit is female people inadvertently are calling the word of Jesus a lie. This is not something to just gloss over in my oppinion.

    #51851

    Simon
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    I am not aware of anywhere where Jesus explicitly calls the Holy Spirit male or female or any gender.

     

    Also as WMSCOG teaches ASH is the Holy Spirit I am not sure how this addresses WMSCOG

    #51852

    Joshua
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    Perhaps I can shed some light. Just before Jesus ascended he was addressing His diciples. Jesus was letting them know that He was going to be leaving but that the great comforter (The Holy Spirit) would come to them. Jesus also told them that He (Jesus) had to leave so that He (The Holy Spirit) could come to them.

    As for how the Holy Spirit being female and the WMSCOG would tie together I thought I covered that in the opening but I'll go over it again. I will also put forth another reason that this idea is dangerous. At first glance the idea of the Holy Spirit being female seems to negate the possibility that a man on Earth would be the Holy Spirit if the Holy Spirit were in fact a female. It would have been better for the WMSCOG to create Ahn as the reencarnated Jesus and Zahng as the embodiment of the Holy Spirit. They did not do that and if they had they would still run into the problem of Jesus saying that the Holy Spirit is a He.

    The dangers of this kind of doctrine: Just as the SDA, WMSCOG, Moonies, Mormons, Jehovas Witnesses, Heavens Gate, The Snake Handlers, ect. takes a common belief among mainstream Christianity, presents their own spin on it, and tell you that you have been lied to all of your life by the churches you've attended. This creates a separation between you and your belief system and in turn separates you from the people you would turn to for support. If a cult group is successful in doing this it makes it seem like they have the truth or answers that you need and they are there to lead you in the right direction (Become your new support system). If a group can convince you that they have hidden truth such as the Holy Spirit is female your belief system gets shaken and you become more susceptable to believing more of what they want to teach you. If the Holy Spirit is a female thing is a lie what other things that they want to teach you will also be lies? The folks that share this "hidden truth" may honestly have good intentions but a lie is still a lie no matter how well intentioned or how whole heartedly the presenters believe in it. I have said it so many time that i've lost count; Do your own research! Discover the truth for yourself! Don't let others tell you what you should believe! Don't take mine or anyones word for it! (This sounds like some kind of teaching phylosophy.) Let the Holy Spirit guide you to the truth. If you don't have the Holy Spirit, you may want to do your research on that as well. There is so much that God has for you but you have to do your part as well.

    #51853

    Sarah2013
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    Ahng…. Never was and never will be the Holy Spirit.

    #51854

    Joshua
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    Ahn was not even divine. The only thing that the evidence and history proves is that Ahn was a man. A human being just like the rest of us. Personally I think that Ahn has been desecrated and his teachings lost by the portrayal of the WMSCOG. Ahn taught that Jesus is the only way to salvation in this time and the next until the end of days. I've said this before, "Even their own created god testifies against them."

    #51855

    Sarah2013
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    Some of them know this truth. We know what it’s all about.

    #51856

    Simon
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    Saviour of each age and new name wouldn't work if they had done that.

    #51857

    Simon
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    (not that it does work mind you)

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