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It makes sense that Zahng and the WMSCOG gets your love, support, money, time, effort, and more. The argument can be made that this is what you should do for god. I get that. Please don't give me a pat answer here. What do you as a member get out of this? My loved on said that she got a nice home and a great family. These are things she had before she joined the WMSCOG and what she almost lost because of this group. If mother gets all of these things what do you get out of this relationship?
I’m glad you made this post. I am waiting to see the response.
Do you expect something when you help people? When you do something for the community? When you go to church do they give you money? I never recieved anything from the presbyterian church my friend in Jr high used to take me to. I don't equally recieve anything here.
About Mother having a home. She lives inside a church. Doesn't your pastor live in a home? I remember the pastor at my old presbyterian church had a better house than most of us. He had a two story house with 4 bedrooms. That's nicer than my bachleor apart that I had. So Mother has a nice home it's not a mansion. Well it's a church so it is bigger but it's a church what do you expect.
Mother doesn't eat great food? she eats what is given at the church, she sits with us and eats. Clothes she never buys clothes, the only clothes she has is the korean dress that Members buy for her. Does she go on vacations to the bahamas? No she is here everyday she goes no where she is always in front of us.
Well they do feed us well that's for sure!
Your wife almost lost her home? Did she try to sell it? why would she loose her home? She lost a great family? no one here has lost their family. Even pastors have a great physical family ties even if their family doesn't believe. Mother gives more vacations to workers here then do people get from their companies. Workers get vacations, Mother says "go home to your FAMILY"
The only people who might have problems with their family, are because their family says things that are either hurtful, or their husbands beat them because they go to church, or they persecute. My mother(physical) said to me one day(when I lived in her home and had a great relationship with her and I just went to church to keep services) Pick me or the church. So I said "Mom if you say that to me, you are the one pushing me away, because if you leave it alone I will always be here with you, to eat dinner to go out to talk, I will be here" then she left it alone. WE ARE FINE TODAY. No problems. So we have to be sure who is the one that causes the problem.
I told you read my post.
fromtheotherside wrote:
Do you expect something when you help people? When you do something for the community? When you go to church do they give you money? I never recieved anything from the presbyterian church my friend in Jr high used to take me to. I don't equally recieve anything here.
About Mother having a home. She lives inside a church. Doesn't your pastor live in a home? I remember the pastor at my old presbyterian church had a better house than most of us. He had a two story house with 4 bedrooms. That's nicer than my bachleor apart that I had. So Mother has a nice home it's not a mansion. Well it's a church so it is bigger but it's a church what do you expect.
Then I would like to ask you what do you get from your church or even from this website?
fromtheotherside wrote:
I told you read my post.
fromtheotherside wrote:
Do you expect something when you help people? When you do something for the community? When you go to church do they give you money? I never recieved anything from the presbyterian church my friend in Jr high used to take me to. I don't equally recieve anything here.
About Mother having a home. She lives inside a church. Doesn't your pastor live in a home? I remember the pastor at my old presbyterian church had a better house than most of us. He had a two story house with 4 bedrooms. That's nicer than my bachleor apart that I had. So Mother has a nice home it's not a mansion. Well it's a church so it is bigger but it's a church what do you expect.
It's right there in BOLD what' are you talking about Joshua! what's your problem Read my post! If your not talking about money or something be specific..
I think FTOS' point is that you don't get anything out of it. In WMSCOG, you just have to do the things your God requires you to (out of love for your God ofcourse) give your everything and essentially, the thing you get from it in return is eternal salvation.
Joshua you have to be specific, I was thinking is this guy asking if we get paid or is he trying to say what spiritual things…
so now that I understand what you are getting at let me respond.
1 pet 1:9 the goal of our faith salvation of our souls.
The essential Goal of me believing is is salvation. That is what I recieve essentially. That is what I want. God has always led me in that direction. Even the greatest of God's prophets has gone through such distress, such pain, such suffering. I never have gone through as much but I have been in pain, I have been through "difficult" times while believing. But God has always pulled me out and lead me back down his path. It might be bumpy at times, my feet get blistered, but it is always a path that leads to them, a path where I must rely on them. They don't need me to do the work I do for them or what ever I give, and they never ask. I'm free to go and come as I please. I get comfort and freedom. I know that I won't look at a rich man and be envious of the car he drives. I know that God will reward me with so much greater as I am their heir to the kingdom of heaven. In every thing that i do the end result it Father and Mother. Things don't always have to work out the way I want them to. When paul was captured and whipped, he didn't think, "why was I whipped? why didn't you save me?" He knew it was for him, even if he didn't understand at that moment, it was God's will and it was to benefit him even though it was painful. Things in my life don't work out the way I want them it works out the way Father and Mother have planned. They take care of me in all aspects and they give me enough to survive, to expect more is not from God. I am warm, I am fed, I am clothesed my head is dry. What else can one want? I have a loving wife a family, even though they do not believe we are happy. Mother also helps them. What do I get? I get what they give me I ask for no more and no less, because they know what I need. And I never ever worry about that.
Luke 12:24
Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap. they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuble you are than birds.
I don't boast about what i recieve that is greater, because some people might not recieve as much. To boast about possesions to me is not a very good thing (I"m not saying this to say something against you) but I mean, They're are poor, realy poor people who believe in God, but If I were to boast that I received let's say a nicer.. I don't know like a newer car. Then you know the ones who are really poor and can't afford it might fell resentment towards god or you know, why not me type of thing. So I don't like to talk about that kind of thing. God gives me what I need I have never felt lack. Even if I went by with one meal, I'm still alive and I still have a home to go rest. Even if my car were to die, I still have a dollar to ride the bus, I still have the cup of ramen at home to eat. I believe that we should be thankful in all situations and the good and bad are all from God but with his will, not to hurt but to make us stronger.
I really like how you have tried to have an open mind and try to listen, I think the members here can learn something from you joshua. When you have an open mind to learn and humbleness to listen it is a good thing. Clap clap .
What I can't understand though is why do people base their salvation with their good works when the bible plainly states that we are not saved by our works but by faith. This isn't just by wmscog but most religion out there. If you are saved because you do "this" or "that" then that would mean that we aren't saved by God's grace anymore but on how we have acted.
James said Faith without deeds is dead. Jude said Grace isn’t licence for immorality. wmscog teaches grace too finding the balance isn’t easy.
I can say when I attended I received a lot of love and ate much better than I did before or have since I also felt very safe in a world that was always scarey and felt I had answers to questions about what didn’t make sense to me before finding them.
And therein lies the hook. The church seems to be a place of refuge to people who are looking. That is exactly what it is designed to appear. Unfortunately it is a web instead. Much like the spider's web, and the Spider's are disguised well enough to lure you in and suck you dry. Not a good place to be. I wish it was what it seemed, for my relative's sake. It just isn't something good, and I can't say that it is or I would be lying. I know what it is.
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