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As the years have gone by I have had the opportunity to share in the lives of several people who have exited or who were in the process of coming out of the WMSCOG. These people overall are very cool and I am glad to have had the opportunity to share my time with them. There have been plenty of things that we have not agreed on and some thing that we have. Recently I was having a conversation with a friend and former member about how the WMSCOG uses reasoning to keep their members trapped. The question always goes like this, "If the WMSCOG does not have the truth then where should I go to study?" They usually add things like, "Passover, Feast, Special Prayer Times, Prophesy,…". For those of you that have visited the forum here for any length of time I'm sure that you have noticed that I will not give a specific recommendation for a church or a group for someone to go study with. I do share that I am a Christian and that I go to a non-denominational church. This is by my own free will that I choose to do this. How do I answer the question of where to go to study if not at the WMSCOG? By the time they ask this question they already know that there is something wrong with the WMSCOG and its studies and doctrine. I suggest that they find a group or church to get involved in and research everything that they find questionable when it comes up. Most places and people will be acceptable to someone honestly asking questions about what they're hearing. If they are not, then this is probably a place that you don't want to be involved with.
Am I going to tell someone that they have to go to XYZ church or become a member of XYZ group?
Let me put it too you this way, "How easy and perfect is my life that I get to tell you how you should live yours?"
Give yourselves some options and get out from under the dictatorship of control groups like the WMSCOG. Keep researching, don't let anyone spoon feed you what they think you should know. This even includes the advice you get from me. I'm not perfect I'm just trying to help what's more I'm not opposed to being corrected from time to time.
P.S. To the members and former members that I am friends with thank you! You hold a very special place in my heart.
I always thought it funny that the overeer's or church leaders would try to test the members. I always saw it in San Diego and wondered if they would ever snap at me. They used to push my wife and I would tell my group leader that if it happens again I'm going to blow up. I remember them going…"oh we'll take care of it brother…thats not right". Reminds me of my first year there and there was this old guy named Paul. I noticed he used to always hang around the young girls and be real friendly to them…in a way I always felt was unusual. Anyways he started giving my girls gifs and candy. I told him after the first time to stop. In a professional/stern way. He bought my daughter a necklace a few months later . I pulled him to the side and told him if he ever does it again or if I see him around my daughter there are going to be problems. This was in front of the Deacon at the time (Hector). I would tell him over and over again….and be like whats up with this guy? Hector would be like…yea yea…we've told him not to do that. Anyways this just shows you that all they cared about then was membership and money. Needless to say Paul stayed away from me and my kids.
Unfortunately, it could happen that this type person could be put in charge of the day care they run at the churches. Most people they put in charge don't want to be there, but this type person might actually volounteer to do that. Not that it will necessarily happen, but it could. I know that at one church they had a 15 year old boy taking care of the kids, and there were a lot of kids. I also know that some people don't want to do the day care but get put in charge anyway. That makes for a situation where there could be inappropriate discipline, and there have been instances where people have described this.
If a child is put in day care at the church they could be there for up to 12 hours on a Saturday. Not exaggerating. They are not with the parents unless they are big enough to be very quiet in the sanctuary. In Joo Cheoul Kim's book, My Sheep Listen To My Voice, he discourages people from having children who need any kind of care from being in the sanctuary with their mothers because they would distract their mother from worship and make the experience unpleasant for new members who are there for the first time. So these kids are with a child care person who is not certified and in a lot of cases doesn't want to be there.
True. I seen a lot of different types of parenting while I was in Zion. They had me in charge of the youth group (teens) for a short period of time. It wasn't bad. They reminded me of little young Marines anyways. Haha. Most of the time when my wife had the duty of watching the kids, I would always hang out with her instead of doing preaching practice…I know it used to be an issue for some of the leaders. I was like I wanted to spend time with my wife and kids. I started to dread the marathon sessions of preaching practice towards the end of my tenure there.
@LoG I would sneak to see my wife and kids as well. One if the Deacons korean wife would say, “Breddrr…your son, he okay.” I so wanted to tell this woman, “He is my son..I will check up on him as I please”. The tactic of seperating during the Church day is subtle but powerful. You arent together to object as an entire family unit. My wife would say ,”Hey we’re in Zion stop trying to steal a kiss/hug”. I would always reply, “Your my wife, period”.
Just bumping another good topic!
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