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Every so often I try to spend some time trying to understand the mindset of the WMSCOG. I go to their website and read some of the stuff they are preaching to their members. Without doing any studying or research outside of what is written it seems ok. This is where the problems start. There is enough truth to make it seem real but upon further inspection and holding it up to the Word of God you realize that it falls apart and you ask yourself, "How can people really fall for this?"
Once again this morning I looked at a sermon titled: Let Your Manner of Life be Worthy of the Gospel.
I was only able to get through part of it before I was fed up with it. For your consideration I give you part of what is written and my thoughts about it.
Sermon: For 6,000years God has been unceasingly working to fulfill the prophecies.
Thought: Doesn't the WMS believe that God created the world? The WMS teaches that Adam and Eve were not the first humans. It sounds like God was not at work at all prior to Adam and Eve. I will NEVER believe something like that.
Sermon: If we want to conduct ourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel, we should give rather than receive. If we would like to receive, we may give others trouble or loss mentally or materially. It is not a manner worthy of the gospel.
Thought: I have personally seen as well as heard of the mental and material loss created by the WMSCOG. Putting that aside my question would be, "What's with the Tithe and Offering envelopes that are named and forced onto members in the various Zions?" Now member, don't try to deny this. The WMS teaches and pushes that you do not enter the house of god empty handed. This creates both a mental burden as well as a material burden. This is not a manner worthy of the gospel!
Sermon: He who wants only to receive is like a man who drinks seawater to quench his thirst; the more he drinks, the more he feels thirsty. Such a man is never satisfied.
Thought: The WMSCOG keeps sucking off of their members, the salt of the earth, and is never satisfied. They also strive to create this type of situation mentally in their members. When a member has a question (thirst) they tell them that they have a study for that (seawater) and that the members need to study more (drink more seawater). This leads to more questions (thirst) and to more studies (drinking seawater). This is how they keep their members trapped but believing that they are thinking for themselves. Aren't these questions from their own minds? Are they? The questions seem to stem out of what they have been taught. How does the WMS know when the teachings have been effective? When the member ask certain questions that lead to more studies. It's entrapment folks.
Sermon: Since the new covenant was destroyed by the Devil,
Thought: On this rock I will build my church and the gate of Hell shall not prevail against it.
Sermon: our God has restored all His decrees and laws including the seven annual feast of three times.
Thought: Galatians speaks openly to this. "But now, after that you have known God, or rather known of God, how can you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto you desire again to be in bondage? You observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labor in vain." This book also addresses the feast as being a bondage.
The WMSCOG desires to imprison you, waste your efforts, and control you for their purposes. This is NOT a life worthy of the gospel. I had to stop there for now. Everytime I visit any of the WMS controlled websites I feel a overwelming dread by their words of deception. I feel somehow infected with sin. Please understand that I wish to expose everything that I can to you but I also have a desire to see you researching materials yourself. The truth will set you free. God gave you a mind and he expects you to use it for His glory. This is worthy of the gospel.
You guys are funny about the basketball players. ๐
I looked up these verses (Gen. 6:1-4) in some commentaries to see what scholars said, and just thought I'd share one here for another viewpoint. This is from the JFB Commentary (http://studylight.org/com/jfb/view.cgi?book=ge&chapter=6&verse=1#Ge6_1)
<font size=”2″>2. the sons of God saw the daughters of men–By the former is meant the family of Seth, who were professedly religious; by the latter, the descendants of apostate Cain. Mixed marriages between parties of opposite principles and practice were necessarily sources of extensive corruption. The women, religious themselves, would as wives and mothers exert an influence fatal to the existence of religion in their household, and consequently the people of that later age sank to the lowest depravity.</font>
<font size=”2″>4. giants–The term in Hebrew implies not so much the idea of great stature as of reckless ferocity, impious and daring characters, who spread devastation and carnage far and wide.</font>
As for the part earlier about Cain's wife, here's my two cents from a literal creationist viewpoint…
Just because Genesis doesn't mention other children (including daughters) being born to Adam and Eve, that doesn't mean there weren't any. Gen 5:3-5 says, "When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth. After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died."
We also don't know how old Cain and Abel were when the trouble happened, just that Seth was born afterward and Adam was 130 when Seth was born. So Cain and Able could have been 100+, and it doesn't say if Cain found his wife after he left or before (and took her with him). A woman can have a baby every year or two not counting twins (yes, besides the Duggars, we have a cousin of our own who proves this), so in 100 years, there could be lots of children who have grown up. There was no law against incest recorded yet, so Cain could have easily married a sister or niece.
The point is just that it's possible, and with the wmscog so big on believing what's in the Bible without adding or subtracting (even though we know they do add and subtract), I was very surprised when I learned they didn't take a literal view on creation.
(PS–Please don't misunderstand. I'm not trying to debate the evolution / creation point or anything like that, just wanting to show another alternative possibility.)
That's an interesting commentary Genny. Does the bible identify Seth and Cain's offspring that way anywhere else? I was curious, too curious to wait for a response, so I did a quick search on the passage. Bible.org says this about that Sethite/Cainite exegesis of Genesis 6:1-8
First and foremost this interpretation does not provide definitions that arise from within the passage or which even adapt well to the text. Nowhere are the Sethites called the ‘the sons of God.’
Also, the ‘daughters of men’ can hardly be restricted to only the daughters of the Cainites. In verse 1 Moses wrote, “Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them” (Genesis 6:1).
It is difficult to conclude that the ‘men’ here are not men in general or mankind. It would follow that the reference to their ‘daughters’ would be equally general. To conclude that the ‘daughters of men’ in verse two is some different, more restrictive group is to ignore the context of the passage.
A second view proproses that the "sons of God" were aristocrats, nobles, and kings. I didn't really agree with this view, but I did see something that may pertain to the WMSCOG while reading it. Namely that: "In the Old Testament, the Hebrew word for God, Elohim, is used for men in positions of authority." That would certainly preclude Zang from being "mother" now wouldn't it?
The third view they discussed was the one I posted about above, they even cited the verses in Jude and 2 Peter that I looked up earlier. I don't want to sound all preachy or bossy, but I think those here should read it if only for the fact that they go on to address what the COG calls "Jonah's Prophecy" later in the article. Here's a link. http://bible.org/seriespage/sons-god-and-daughters-men-genesis-61-8
PS, I'm just trying to show alternate possibilities as well, not exactly debate. I am enjoying the discussion though ๐
I’m no expert. I don’t know what niphilim is.. The difference between sons of humans and sons of God.. Idk.. =/
If anyone's read the book of Enoch, it elaborates on the nephilim quite a bit and does connect their origin to the fallen angels, particularly a group called "The Watchers."
I'm aware, but it is ancient still, at least old enough that they found it among the dead sea scrolls. So it does have some significance as far as early christianity is concerned.
Hal I wonder if you would comment on something I came across reading about the book of Enoch? Trypho the Jew's "dialogue 79" has him saying to Justin Martyr: "The utterances of God are holy, but your expositions are mere contrivances, as is plain from what has been explained by you; nay, even blasphemies, for you assert that angels sinned and revolted from God."
Is it really that inconceivable that angels sinned and revolted? I always kind of had a problem with this idea, for if God is all powerful, surely angels could not sin or revolt against him.
Oh for godsake enough with the sugar coats about this wmscog, if anybody ever been there longer than a couple of weeks they would know that wmscog teaches that only living beings that acknowledge mama god can be considered people, the rest were NOT considered as human.
If you think there is problems with the sermons… you should try and take a study now… the sermons have all been changed to whereas they are putting verses together to play these mind games. To make you feel more compromising in believing. But I thought that FATHER made the studies, and that we are not to change add/take away from the "word of God" …. this is a mess… these people are a Hot Mess…
yea i know sunshine and theres no need to go into deep biblical study to put them as simply as cons doing fraud job and preying on people in needs of guidence.
sunshine wrote:
If you think there is problems with the sermons… you should try and take a study now… the sermons have all been changed to whereas they are putting verses together to play these mind games. To make you feel more compromising in believing. But I thought that FATHER made the studies, and that we are not to change add/take away from the "word of God" …. this is a mess… these people are a Hot Mess…
Hi, Sunshine so sorry that your going through all of this (as per your other post) I'm glad I found this site before I got to go in for a study with them at the church. My friend attends and he was preaching to me & every now and then he gives me a quick study, so I am familiar with some of the studies. You say the sermons have all been changed to where as they are putting verses together to play mind games….can you give us an example of that please, also how long have you been there(since you did notice the changes?) Another issue…what did they tell you that 2012 would be the end…that 2012 was the last passover or the end of preaching???
That’s the same problem I had. I believed the sermons were perfect but I was still allowed to change it..
renita.payno wrote:
That's the same problem I had. I believed the sermons were perfect but I was still allowed to change it..
Renita, I'm not sure I understand. They let you change the sermons how?
I could add verses or replace them. For example, i liked to use the record of the resurrection in Matthew for the study concerning the sabbath instead of the record in mark. Or i wouldn’t use Matthew 7:21. I would use a verse in James concerning faith without deeds
KC wrote:
Oh for godsake enough with the sugar coats about this wmscog, if anybody ever been there longer than a couple of weeks they would know that wmscog teaches that only living beings that acknowledge mama god can be considered people, the rest were NOT considered as human.
AMEN !!!!!
"spiritually" yes
Daniel 7:13 is the scripture verse I have seen them quoting to claim that it refers to Jesus coming the first time.
I have challenged them that this means that their interpretation of the little horn of Dan 7:8 being the RCC falls flat because it is an event that happens before the first coming of Jesus in Dan 7:13.
Father (((Stained))) appeared to me yet again telling me to p/a/s/s on this information:
Ephesians 2:8-10
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
For he is all wise and all knowing; don't sweat the technique, son. ..
Quite the blasphemous non sequitur
Jesus of Nazareth wrote:
Father (((Stained))) appeared to me yet again telling me to p/a/s/s on this information:
Ephesians 2:8-10
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
The verse referenced in Ephesians is valuable, but
the process (of so-called "mind control") is one of making black/white off/on this/that (polar opposites) exist simultaneously in the mind. Would the ex-members on the forum please comment on the following: would you have been working your tail off when you were a member and then looked at this verse and said something along the lines of 'I am working on faith / not by works', yet now that you are out you can obviously see what you could not while in? Explain, if you would how/what/why you justified it at the time.
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