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Over the last week I have taken many verbal abuses from one individual in paticular. It reminds me of other encounters that I have faced in our forum. These other encounters I can fortunately say have resulted in friendships that I value. It's hard to know at this point if the individual attacking my character will eventually become my friend or not. Over the last ten hours I have taken steps both in the forum and via PM to make peace with this individual. God has His hand over all of this and I know everything will work out as it's supposed to. God's ways of doing things have not always been my ways however, I earnestly try to seek God's ways. I want to ask everyone for forgiveness for my part in the back and forth display you have seen here in the last few days. Those of you that have been around here for a while know that I can be a fierce warrior for God and a defender of the weak. I have watched and tried to defuse what seems to be an onslaught of character attacks from both sides. I do favor one sides oppinions and facts over the other sides. This comes from my research and experiences of the WMSCOG. I will strive to be better than I have been over the last several days but I will not lay down and let Satan have his way. I have made our cause to reach out to those who have been mislead look less than favorable and for this I am sorry. Once again I ask you for forgiveness and I will strive to do better. Joshua.
P.S. Please keep me in your prayers. Many times I comment from a loving position but once in a while my emotions get the better of me.
This site wouldn't be here if we all weren't passionate about the topic, so getting emotional is very understandable. I do the same sometimes. We are all human. Your comments here are valued, so hang in here!
Joshua you are doing a great job and hope you continue to be the warrior for God. Thanks to admin for this site that has allowed others to keep up with this fight.
Mathew 5:10-12
"Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for my sake. Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in Heaven"
God Bless you all
It takes a real godly character to make such an apology. Pride comes before destruction, and you certainly kicked it in the rear end when you wrote this. I believe you have proven to be a real ambassador for Jesus Christ.
It’s a harsh world out there. May you be blessed in Jesus name.
2 Corinthians 10:4
(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
Wow!
I've been lurking these forums and just watching everyone debate, am I correct to assume this is a continuation between fromtheotherside and Joshua? They've been at eachother's throats, as I don't condone fromtheothersides actions, I do understand him. I was offended by a lot of Joshua's comments also, it's one thing to criticize the doctrine but its another to insult our Mother and beliefs. A lot of crude and nasty comments were made by Joshua. Everyone here does not have to agree with our beliefs and I have seen interesting posts here and thats why I stuck around, but the way everyone insults our church, it just leaves a bad after taste in my mouth. So I'm here to help him as I see everyone is ganging up on him.
I had the feelings fromtheotherside had but unlike him I kept them to myself, but even though he probably shouldn't have let himself be sucked in like that, people here should not be proud of themselves either. In a way he did give me some relief and said somethings I and most likely other members of Church of God wanted to say.
Fromtheotherside, I know you're trying to defend and stand up for Mother, so I thank you for that and a lot of other members do to, but please try to clean up your words just a bit okay brother? Don't sink to their level. I almost lost faith as I read this site but some people's actions and comments don't seem like they have good intent. I have gone and talked to my Pastor about the things here and he has cleared up alot of my doubt and has been working with me and helping me to get over this test of faith.
True. We can agree to disagree but human nature is such that, if aggravated, there is a slight chance words will be exchanged. Certainly, it shouldn’t be that way. However, this site was created to examine Wmscog (because the teaching is presented using the same Bible) so a lot of disagreement will arise on that. It isn’t for any other Religion. Everyone will be sensitive to his or her beliefs. People who don’t believe the same will obviously state reasons they disagree; and so far, that has been the case. Notwithstanding, there have been occasions of unnecessary words being exchanged.
In due time, the truth to all of this will be exposed. Either Jesus is Lord and the wmscog’s father n mother teaching is incorrect, or your father and mother is lord and Jesus Christ is obsolete. That’s pretty much how I see it ending for sure. As for me, I’ll stick to my belief that Jesus is Lord – you are free to hold on to your beliefs.
angelwings wrote:
I've been lurking these forums and just watching everyone debate, am I correct to assume this is a continuation between fromtheotherside and Joshua? They've been at eachother's throats, as I don't condone fromtheothersides actions, I do understand him. I was offended by a lot of Joshua's comments also, it's one thing to criticize the doctrine but its another to insult our Mother and beliefs. A lot of crude and nasty comments were made by Joshua. Everyone here does not have to agree with our beliefs and I have seen interesting posts here and thats why I stuck around, but the way everyone insults our church, it just leaves a bad after taste in my mouth. So I'm here to help him as I see everyone is ganging up on him.
I had the feelings fromtheotherside had but unlike him I kept them to myself, but even though he probably shouldn't have let himself be sucked in like that, people here should not be proud of themselves either. In a way he did give me some relief and said somethings I and most likely other members of Church of God wanted to say.
Fromtheotherside, I know you're trying to defend and stand up for Mother, so I thank you for that and a lot of other members do to, but please try to clean up your words just a bit okay brother? Don't sink to their level. I almost lost faith as I read this site but some people's actions and comments don't seem like they have good intent. I have gone and talked to my Pastor about the things here and he has cleared up alot of my doubt and has been working with me and helping me to get over this test of faith.
angelwings – I apologize on behalf of members here if we have hurt your feelings in any way. That is not our intention. We who are not in the wmscog see things a lot differently than you who are in it. I see that wmscog members are passionate in standing up for mother and defend her. They take comments against mother more seriously than comments about themselves.
I worship Jesus and I do not like it if someone were to insult Him. Yet, I believe He is quite capable of taking care of himself. I will object to false claims when they are made but I do not believe I have to defend Him because He is far greater than me.
In view of that, I find it odd that wmscog members stand up to defend mother rather than the correctness of their teaching.
I have a request for all my fellow members. Let us take care to read our posts carefully before posting them and ensure we do not stoop to personal attacks on wmscog members or their gods. Let us word our posts carefully to just point out the falseness of their teaching which we are aware of. Let us ask them questions which will need them to reflect before they answer.
Ok.
We view God as our parents, not just as God. That is the difference between us. When the Jews came and tryed to arrest Jesus did his diciples just stand by and watch? They could have had your view and just thought, insince he is God he can flick his fingers and destroy his attackers, but even though they believed he could, they still fought to protect Jesus even with a sword.
Emil thank you for you apology, it makes a real difference. I hope that people here can realize that if they only just try to listen instead of pre judging the Church of God, they would be able to see the light. I will pray for everyone.
You see your light and we see ours – just that simple. That’s why we are on this site.
angelwings wrote:
We view God as our parents, not just as God. That is the difference between us. When the Jews came and tryed to arrest Jesus did his diciples just stand by and watch? They could have had your view and just thought, insince he is God he can flick his fingers and destroy his attackers, but even though they believed he could, they still fought to protect Jesus even with a sword.
Emil thank you for you apology, it makes a real difference. I hope that people here can realize that if they only just try to listen instead of pre judging the Church of God, they would be able to see the light. I will pray for everyone.
Let me assure you that we all view God as our Father. So that part is not different.
Secondly, only one of them drew his sword to fight. But you may have noticed that Jesus rebuked him for it. For the most part, they didn't even stand by and watch. They just ran away.
Thirdly, until the resurrection, they were not completely clear in their understanding that Jesus was God. You and other wmscog members on the other hand are totally convinced that Ahn and Zahng are god and thus capable of destroying their attackers.
angelwings we (I hope I speak for other members too) are happy to have you here so that we can have fruitful discussions about the differences in our beliefs.
Mat 16:30 Peter declares you are the messiah the son of the living God.
Peter seems clear in his conviction that Jesus is the MEssiah. which means he new he was GOD.
Joshua wrote:
This is the response I get from this induvidual:
i c u dont want to accept my truce but keep attaking n deffending ure sin its getting old n pathetic. u loose respect because of your arrogance. heres a lesson for you i suggest u learn it n stop making a fool of yourself. if you try to convert a buddisht show respect. as apostle paul said he becomes a gentlie to win them. if you start profaning and attcking you will only make yourself loose credit. talk with your mouth not your rear. appologize to the members of cog for your insulence n redeem yourself. n i know god will forgive u. the bible says to rebuke when necessary, n u have recieved it n when u change i will encourage u. if admin saw fit to stop me from coming here he would have already n i wouldnt even care if i were blocked because it would just show how pathetic it is here. you can talk all the crap u want but at the end of the day we have one more church n u r still here with no truth.
Folks, I want to appologize in advance because I really don't feel like tollerating any more of this and my replys to this individual may very well become negative again. I'm trying to show Gods grace but I'm afraid that even I have a breaking point.
Remember I said there is no middle ground ? This statement is exactly what I'm talking about. Forget about the Stockholm Syndrome approach. Can you just feel the hate, ignorance and arrogance with every mis-spelled word ? Still want to use Sugar, huh Genny ? Oh, and Genny, I'm not calling you out but please PM me and let me know if I'm right or what I can do from your perspective to correct myself.
You guys are no better, these type of words brings a responce
Vengence Is not yours and you are in no position to act judge and jury over anyone else. Remember this and repent to the One True God and you will be blessed. I see a lot of arrogance in your post and your reply here. It is a very typical response from a member of a controlling group. Does it ever bother you that you fit into a steriotype that has nothing to do with God or salvation? I hoped that you were here to discover the truth. The fact is that you are a wolf in sheeps clothing right now. It doesn't have to be that way and I wish I could say that you are choosing this but you are not. When I first offered to address you outside of the forum it was because I saw us heading to the kind of interaction that we got into. Both of us have lost credibility and for no good reason. You stopped replying to me here and you were crapping on everyone in the forum. I called you out on this and that is when you started attacking me. Again, I don't think you can control yourself because you are not able to make your own choices. It's your duty to punish? Boy are you way off in left field. You can't even literally back that up with scripture. When I told you that your responses were pathetic you should have reevaluated the crap you were saying. As for your patience, I have yet to see any. If you feel that you can convince someone to believe your docrtine then and only then will you choose to try to be nice. This is nothing but fake! Get out of your own way! If God can do a mighty work it will not be through the actions of anyone acting as you do. You need to start reading your Bible, stop being told what to believe and how to believe it, and work out your own salvation. You have a can of tuna and a bottle of water? Obviously God is not providing for you. How do you provide for your family? The Bible tells us that one who doesn't provide for their own family is worse that a heathen. I think God is sending you many signs that you are in the wrong place but your arrogance is getting in the way. If you keep choosing to engage me and the other people in the forum as you have you will force my to make you look even worse that you already do. No one trust you in the forum! This is your own doing! Your choices are clear: 1)Appologize for your behavior and try to salvage any good will that you can, or 2)Keep doing the kinds of things you have been doing. Getting the responses that you have been getting. Taking you and your groups message backwards even more. You want me to "Man Up" as you say it? Start by removing the log from your own eye. Right now you are arrogant, rude, and pathetic. I hope you'll pick option number 1 but I expect that you'll go with option munber 2. Prove me wrong!
This is no olive branch:
Don't play games with me! Either you're sorry and want to start over fresh or you want to continue with your insulting behavior. I miss our attempt here to try to understand each other and I am willing to forgive the personal attacks prior to this point. If you think for one moment that proving that Ahn and Zahng are false gods is an attack on you then you really need to stop coming to this forum. We constantly prove in various ways that these two are not real. Personally I think that Ahn has gotten blasphemed by the WMSCOG so in a way I am trying to defend him. As for you, you are neither of these people. I respect the fact that you want to defend what you think is right. I've tried to get others to understand this as well. You have witnessed this with your own eyes. Well, the decision is yours, either keep up with your personal attacks and continue to lose credibility for you and your group or realize how degrading this who thing is, ask for forgiveness, and start fresh right now. This is not up for dispute and I am not willing to hear anything like, "well if you do this then I'll do that" or "if you stop doing this I'll stop doing that." This kind of exchange is for little children and even though children are to be valued it is not the way adults are expected to behave in Gods Kingdom. A simple "please forgive me" and "I would like to start over" will work very well as an answer. Your choice.
I see a problem with it and so does many wmscog members, if your okay with your behavior we are okay with fromtheothersides comments.
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