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first and foremost i think "believes" is something personal, i dont mind if anybody wanted to believe theres a holy korean mama god in budang, its their choice and we can squabble, mix and match bible verses and tounge twisting the so called "hidden truth" all day long.
but its not what wmscog is all about,
its NOT about a classic opressed spanish inquisition type stories they LOVE to throw around (got alot of that in their "facts book")
its NOT about god trying to safe you and theres satan everywhere trying to stop god.
its NOT about sharing the exotic far east loving.
its NOT even about religion.
at its very pure basic form, wmscog is just all about business, you can call it "selling pipedreams" business but for me i just call it blatantly as fraud.
some members here already give you a clue about how to simply see through all that deceitful sugar coating the wmscog used, such as "religion", "secrets", "love" and "salvation", just stop giving and lets see what can you see.
althought yes that suggestion could be easily manipulated by the wmscog as the devil trying to stop you from helping god or infact they usually will say that its the devil idea so you can STEAL or ROB god.
now this is the part where your common sense should kicks in and ask yourself DO YOU really believe that YOU as a simple human CAN actually STEAL and ROB a mama god? who supposed to be all mighty, all knowing and all devine? the mama god who can even stop (several times) the end of this world?………… but need YOUR help to build her empire on earth?
or in a more simple argument, do you really think the all mighty mama would need lawyers to smite on the non believers? as far as i know a God would just rain fires and brimstones, send plagues or something that DONT require yours or any humans help.
how would you think if it is said on the bible that moses came down from the mount sinai and he have this log on his hand that says " there shall be no gods besides me OR i will press charges"
So just use your sense, God gave you the capability to have logic, to be able to think and to be able to be rational…………… use His gift and may you never fall victim to those wretched cons.
For members of this cult, if you are going to try and hold back the tithe from this group I would encourage you not to hold it back from God. Here's what I suggest: Take the tithe as you normally would but instead of giving it to this group put it in a separate account. Most if not all banking institutions would gladly allow you to open several savings accounts. Open a new account labled "Tithe" and save those funds there. Don't touch that money for any reason! It's not your's it's Gods! I would encourage you to do this for no less than six months. If you feel the need to make offerings or special offerings to the WMS put this money into this account as well. While you are observing the effects of this on the love you receive from this group you should also be doing research outside of this group on every topic that you have been taught. Try taking one or more Saturdays a month away from the group and go to the library and study the things of God. Take some time to build your relationship between you and him. Make it a special time and allow God to reveal himself to you. If you can't bring yourself to the point of praying to the one true God at least make your prayers to whoever the true God is. Don't pray directly to Ahn or Zahng! Make your prayers a ferverent effort to talk to the creator of everything. Leave your extra study materials at home or whatever. Only bring your Bible and your questions. Start doing your own independant research on any topic you choose. Don't let outside influence decide what you should believe. Work out your own salvation. If at the end of six months you find yourself believing everything you've been taught then you have the option of giving the contents of your Tithe account to this group.So, let's recap. 1) Setup a new account for your tithes and offerings. 2)Make your regular deposits into this account just as if you were putting it in the envelopes at the WMS. 3)Take time to do your own research. 4)Give time directly to God. Build your personal relationship. 5)Don't let anyone tell you what to think or believe! 6)Leave any and all extra study materials somewhere out of sight and out of mind. Let nothing distract you from your pursuit of the truth. 7)Observe what you are learning about the truth and about how you are being treated byt the group as you attempt to grow closer to God. Testing every spirit in a manner like this is not opening yourself up to sin it is opening yourself up to God. If you undertake these steps please let us know what you are learning and how you are doing. We do care and our love for you is not conditional. You are in for a great awakening.
Good advice, Joshua.
I remember whenever we were 'between churches' due to moving or the leading of God, we didn't have a home church to give our tithe to, so we did that exact thing. We started a separate savings account and stored our tithe and offerings in there until we had a church or ministry to give it to. Different purpose, but same idea. It worked well. (And God got the interest too! Though these days interest on savings is a mere pittance.)
Genny can you tell me where in the N.T. does it imply that we need to give 10%, that's only in the O.T. If things changed from old to new shouldn't that be for all things?
LUV, Christians debate about the tithe too, like the Sabbath and Sunday. I don't believe tithing is required for salvation (because it would be works), but I do believe that giving back to God and entrusting Him with my finances is part of living a life of active faith. I don't give so that I can receive a blessing, but I do believe God has blessed my family for putting Him first in this way.
They use the verses where jesus says, give to ceasar what is ceasers and to god what is gods.
God isn’t supposed to smite under the new covenant so yes God is limited
yes you can rob God the bible says so
the problem with Joshuas advice is you cannot discern a true church by sinners sinning (in this case judging on tithing and Sabbath)or not
God isn’t supposed to smite under the new covenant so yes God is limited
yes you can rob God the bible says so
the problem with Joshuas advice is you cannot discern a true church by sinners sinning (in this case judging on tithing and Sabbath)or not. also you could argue you need to set aside 15% because of the way the laws were written.
but definitely study on your own. test all doctrine. the Bereans were called noble for testing everything the apostles said to scripture. if God is the same for all time he will be pleased by your studying wmscog real or false
@Simon – I don't believe Joshua is advocating sinning. He says the member should simply withold his tithe from the WMSCOG for a suitable period and test whether the love still continues. Seems to be a reasonable test to check if the love is conditional.
@LUV – I don't think the NT says about 10% but it does imply that we give till it hurts. This is exemplified by the widows mite where Jesus holds her up as an example to his apostles and mentions that she gave all she had. So looking at it another way, the NT does not limit us to 10%.You misunderstand me, the members losing love would be sinning, and would no way invalidate the church
Simon wrote:
You misunderstand me, the members losing love would be sinning, and would no way invalidate the church
I don't quite follow what you mean. What do you mean by "the members losing love would be sinning"?
If I judge you for something and lose love for you, I am sinning by doing so and that doesn't make a god I believe in more or less real
KC that’s deep and right on the money. Drive on.
I’m (Stained) for life and I approved this message
Simon wrote:
If I judge you for something and lose love for you, I am sinning by doing so and that doesn't make a god I believe in more or less real
Oh I think I understand what you are saying now.
However the point I believe Joshua was making was not about proving or validating their church. I know for a fact that at least one member is drawn to them and blind to the errors of their teaching only because she is showered with love there. Her previous emotional baggage makes her vulnerable to this approach and blinds her to everything else. I am sure there are many more such members. If such a member witholds the tithe for a while, the warm fuzzy feeling will be toned down and she may be able to see the teachings more clearly for what they truly are..
I suppose that makes sense. we all have our own escape rout we need.
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