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Hey all, I was a member for about three years and thrived on the “truth” of their bible studies. At the time, everything they taught made sense. Since I’ve left, I’ve been struggling with many things and among them is trying to disregard their teachings. Was it all lies? I felt safe knowing I was “protected” by the Passover, but at the same time I felt scared of all other churches. How do you clear your mind to start over at a new church? I have tried but anytime a spiritual point is made, my mind snaps back to the rebuttals that WMSCOG embedded in me. I have also tried revisiting the studies to disprove them piece by piece but that overwhelms me and leads to anxiety. Someone suggested I speak with my former priest from the Catholic Church I attended before WMSCOG, but that’s another struggle is overcoming the fear of that particular church as most of you might understand from one of their teachings. Does anyone have any suggestions?
As a fellow former member, pragmatic atheism has been the healthiest path.
But if you’re looking for scriptural contradictions and fallacies the best place to go would be encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com
Being an ex-member myself, I definitely agree with Brian on being a pragmatic atheist. However I was an atheist before meeting the wmscog, so that kinda makes me biased I guess? Really though, can't think of any area in my life whereby the "existence of god" is of any importance at all
Exmember here. For me, Trusting in the validity of “Why” I left, helped. I was under a very rude Overseer. At first I tried to focus off of him. But I had to tell myself, “The racial jokes, yelling at members is NOT ok”. Members would tell me, “Bredder, Fadder en Mudder out him here for a reason.” But one thing I began to remember, You can tell the truthfulness of a religion by how much worldly/human attributes are placed on “God”.
-God, who is here on Earth would appoint many rude, arrogant leaders to “test” her children?
-God had to write a book to counteract a female member from finding his notebook? (So God again uses terrible logic to test his kids)
-God in the flesh, appoints leaders who run Questionable and shady business where money is funneled in through the church (laundering?).
-God has secular doctrine as basis for arguments of Prophecy (William Miller and Jesud entering the “heavenly” tabernacle, as well as Hametic Curse (Racist views) being referenced by Pastors?
Agains, as I typed all of that I was strengthened knowing WMS lies like a Persian rug. Trust what your intuition has revealed to you, because its probably spot on.
Zhang and Ahn seem very very human in regards to Sin. Wms Leaders gave the wordt justifying answers to the reason Ahn had a first wife (which they NEVER answered as to if he divorced), then trying to justify if he did or did not marry Zhang, and, they never addressed the same with her. Was she married, did she divorce? Even if her husband let HER go, she still would need to repent and be cleansed because the scriptures say you “make and adulterer/adulteress” of the person you divorce. Same with Ahn. The redtape of back and forth illogical jargon was too much. God never before in the bible prior to Ahn and Zhang allegedly being God, had any technical truths.
What they do to your existing faith "pre wms" is in my opinion one of the top 3 sins of this group.
There's only one judge for that crime and they will pay dearly for it when they meet him face to face.
It breaks my heart to say this but Atheism is probably the safest route for someone until they get profesional help to understand what happened to them, how it happened and why they have so many subliminal thoughts.
Unless you haave a really special priest at your church he probably will have little or no knowledge about "mind control" because as we all know most people don't and priests are people not gods. Plus the Catholic church is scared to death of taking on the question of cults
Find a good therapist that knows cults, heal up and then revisit your faith. That's the safest route.
Unfortunately so much of religion is "blind faith" it will be hard to trust any of them and that's a shame because it can be such a great part of your life
Supposing for a second that the bible is a work of fiction; and that each religion is just an individual interpretation and dogmatization of it, you only need to go so far in each one to find logical absurdities and/or scientific impossibilities. In the WMS interpretation however, they have those gaps closed up a lot tighter. In falsifying their prophecies, you would need to do a lot more reasearch then you would with mormonism or scientology. But the holes and falsehoods are there.
With that being said, understanding their doctrinal fallacies is only superficially important. As david aluded to, the most important thing is to understand the psychology of totalism and mind control. Then this thing will be behind you.
I would say take a step back and look at the picture. This is a church with a very different set of beliefs and expectations. They are a different culture, I would also say they have a different spirit. They care too much about your money and disregard your well being.
I think I’m with square1 here. I had some fellows over for dinner and one of them had a role of preaching in a church during service. He would assume the role of pastor every once in a while. Cog teaching would pop up in my mind, and I started thinking, oh, he must be a “false prophet”. I think I’m still indoctrinated. Man o man. It’s gonna take much time for me to forget all the teachings.
What I’ve done is compared the cog doctrine to everything outside the church. I’ve read the bible again and found a boat load of unfulfilled prophecy. And this year Israel kept the passover in April and while the cog kept it along side the Catholic church in March. I’m siding with Israel that they kept passover at the appointed time. I’m saying all the members of the cog do not have the protection of the passover because they got the day and month wrong all wrong.
I found too many errors and have realized the church is NOT “in the truth” as they declare.
How did reading the bible, especially when going over verses from studies, not make all things you are trying to foget cone back?
That’s just it. All the studies came back to mind. I wanted to see the lies myself, through the bible. I found what I was looking for. Just like playing a video game and watching movies, if you re watch a movie a year or 2 later you will still remember scenes when you watch it again. I never thought of taking the atheist path. That would probably help you forget it all. For me, I don’t want to forget, I whated to know what it really is, errors and untruths, and lies, and misinformation. The bible itself help me see that.
Understood. But it must be said that the athiest path is not about forgetting it. It’s about reality. If someone can accept something without evidence, true and false, right and wrong, all become relativistic. But then again, to each is own and everybody is different.
The path of atheism is about reality, and not forgetting? Alright. That is one reason I came to this site, to listen to the testimonies of other ex members, and find the reality of this korean church. Money, control, deception…
Not forgeting is a comendable way to cope.
So what’s the path of an atheist about? No religion, no religious scriptures, no doctrine, or church beliefs, but you stay focused on here and now, stay grounded in life?
Square1 wrote:
…Was it all lies? I felt safe knowing I was "protected" by the Passover,… How do you clear your mind to start over at a new church? I have tried but anytime a spiritual point is made, my mind snaps back to the rebuttals that WMSCOG embedded in me. I have also tried revisiting the studies to disprove them piece by piece but that overwhelms me and leads to anxiety. …
The short answer is no not all f it is lies. For example the Sabbath does fall on a Saturday. What the cult is really good at is using a bit of truth and mixing it up with way too many lies. If you wanna move on with your life accept this as fact that the cult does have a bit f truth.
In terms of getting rid their filth of doctrine here's a bit of help.
Suppose there is mother god according to Genesis 1:26-27
This creates a fundemental problem in Christianity because the question then becomes, "Who is Jesus?" Because if there is indeed a mother god what then means is that Jesus is in fact a bastard because father god cheated and had a baby by another woman in this case Mary and not with mama z whom he created mankind. This then means that Jesus is not a true heir and cannot promise you the kingdom of heaven because he's an illigitimate child.
To rebuttle Gen 1:26-27 read Genesis 5:1-2 Because in those verse the bible is clear that "He" created mankind and created mankind male and female after "His" likeness not "their" likeness as the cult likes to add. have a look here https://bibles.org/NIV/Gen/5
Mayor and Mike wrote:
So what's the path of an atheist about? No religion, no religious scriptures, no doctrine, or church beliefs, but you stay focused on here and now, stay grounded in life?
To tell you the truth, all that's needed is to think " I don't know" What usually fills that void is the scientific and/or socratic method.
Azula wrote:
Square1 wrote:
…Was it all lies? I felt safe knowing I was "protected" by the Passover,… How do you clear your mind to start over at a new church? I have tried but anytime a spiritual point is made, my mind snaps back to the rebuttals that WMSCOG embedded in me. I have also tried revisiting the studies to disprove them piece by piece but that overwhelms me and leads to anxiety. …
The short answer is no not all f it is lies. For example the Sabbath does fall on a Saturday. What the cult is really good at is using a bit of truth and mixing it up with way too many lies. If you wanna move on with your life accept this as fact that the cult does have a bit f truth.
In terms of getting rid their filth of doctrine here's a bit of help.
Very good point Azula. It seemed like their biblically accurate teachings( like sabbath) served as leverage in asserting their fantastical and false ones.
Those half truths can seem believable. Like the sabbath day they practice is half the day. I don’t think God gives out half blessings.
@Brain. I understand.
Square1 wrote:
I have also tried revisiting the studies to disprove them piece by piece but that overwhelms me and leads to anxiety. Someone suggested I speak with my former priest from the Catholic Church I attended before WMSCOG, but that's another struggle is overcoming the fear of that particular church as most of you might understand from one of their teachings. Does anyone have any suggestions?
Hi Square1. I've done a lot of examining their studies on my blog, which might help you. In particular, I've examined their teaching about the Catholic Church. I'm not a Catholic myself, but I did discover that the wmscog's Antichrist teaching is flawed. That might help you settle your mind a little so you can talk with your priest again. Check it out here: http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com/2011/09/pope-is-not-antichrist-summary-of-is.html
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