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Every so often I read something or come across something that seems so simple yet so enlightnening that I feel the need to share it with you. A lady was doing a seminar on positive thinking and as she circled the room she reached for a glass of water. Everyone in the room knew she was going to do the analogy of the glass being half full or half empty. Much to their surprize she asked the group how much they thought was in the glass. She got a variety of answers ranging from 8oz – 20oz.. Following that question she asked how much it probably weighed? Again there was a variety of answers. Where she went next was brilliant. She told the group that it didn't matter how much it was at that point but what does matter is how long you hold it. If you hold it for a few moments you wont even notice it. Hold the same glass for an hour and you might start feeling a bit of pain. Hold it all day and your arm might feel numb and paralyzed.
How long the pain from a control group is depends on how long the person or the people affected have had to deal with it. I'm going to open this up for discussion and give you the option to share your own examples. Believe me I could go on and on with this one!
Length of time is definitely a factor, as is depth of involvement. The wearing down process is inevitable for most who become trapped in cults. For Diane Sims the arrogance of Jay Bird Lee contributed to her families withdrawal from the LA operation to Danny Boy Parks operation in Colorado. The arrogance and racially superior attitude of the Korean overseers definitely contributes to hastening the wearing down process for many.
Another big factor in the wearing down process is money. The constant battle of choosing whether to get your rent paid on time or putting more money into those colored envelopes (under pressure from the lords and overseers).
@Joshua: This is really a great example. I believe they have numbed my son to his own pain and to that of his family. I also believe that he has carried this burden so long he can't fathom how to lay it down, though it just keeps damaging him. He has been in around 8 years and counting. So we have had this burden also. Not only did they give him (and us) a burden to bear, they have added to it as the years went on. When does it become too much?I don't usually post, I have p.m. a few of you's and appreciate all I have had contact with. Overwhelming is putting it mildly. My Daughter who was pregnant with my 1 st grandson at the time they deceived and lured her and baby daddy in. My grandson has been sick with one illness after the next all documented by myself, thrush in his mouth, colds, then he developed a deep congested cough. my daughter and baby daddy go recruiting in Texas and leave my grandson with me to nurse him back to healthy. They return same routine, My grandson goes back to thier so called daycare, which I refer to as the dungeon. He is placed in a crib in a cold, dark, room left to sleep and develop a yeast infection due to lack of diaper changing and they are only allowed to buy cheap diapers. Needless to say His Illness worsen and while in Colo. they his parent realize he can barley breathe and thank-god take him to the E.R. where he is diagonsed with pneumonia, and only turning 7 months old. I was Livid, I made that baby a promise when he was born innocently into this, I would protect him. I always keep my Word. Not only have they destroyed our loving family unit, Ptsd, anxiety, and take into consideration time spent in, going on year 2 here. The long term effects they will have on these young adults will most likely be suicidal thoughts and tendencies, guilt, fear, well you all know them and many more I am probably forgetting. This Should be Illegal to do to our Youth in Our Country… Good Ol U.S.A. Thats why They Prey on Young Usually Female, Most times Vunerable, My Daughter had Just Lost her Father, , Childern, They are a Nuisance, to the Establishment, They Disconnected my daughter from he first born early on. Sad. I will do what I Have to do Like I said I Keep My Word. I will send in DFS. what ever it takes. Is my grandson going to want to spend his every Saturday therfrom morning to night, I think not as he will not have fond memories. I will remind my Daughter how much she fought and rebele to go to church 1 hour on a Saturday or Sunday When she was a Child or Even Worse Her Teenage Years. Like Spoken in Other Topic, This Boy Has Energy, Personality, and Will Have Friends who will be celebrating birthday parties, pinics in the parks, Sports. I Had It Out Wth My Daugther Once Again Yesterday, Pretty Often Occurances Between Us Because I am Not Fake or Phoney and I Refuse to Say Its Something thats its Not. I Will Exercise My Grandparents Rights and told her we will see what a judge says about raisng a iinocent baby in a Cult. I Didn't and Don't Want to Raise My Grandson, Although I Will Do What I Need to do in Order to Keep Him Healthy and Hopefully Happy.
I don't usually post, I have p.m. a few of you's and appreciate all I have had contact with. Overwhelming is putting it mildly. My Daughter who was pregnant with my 1 st grandson at the time they deceived and lured her and baby daddy in. My grandson has been sick with one illness after the next all documented by myself, thrush in his mouth, colds, then he developed a deep congested cough. my daughter and baby daddy go recruiting in Texas and leave my grandson with me to nurse him back to healthy. They return same routine, My grandson goes back to thier so called daycare, which I refer to as the dungeon. He is placed in a crib in a cold, dark, room left to sleep and develop a yeast infection due to lack of diaper changing and they are only allowed to buy cheap diapers. Needless to say His Illness worsen and while in Colo. they his parent realize he can barley breathe and thank-god take him to the E.R. where he is diagonsed with pneumonia, and only turning 7 months old. I was Livid, I made that baby a promise when he was born innocently into this, I would protect him. I always keep my Word. Not only have they destroyed our loving family unit, Ptsd, anxiety, and take into consideration time spent in, going on year 2 here. The long term effects they will have on these young adults will most likely be suicidal thoughts and tendencies, guilt, fear, well you all know them and many more I am probably forgetting. This Should be Illegal to do to our Youth in Our Country… Good Ol U.S.A. Thats why They Prey on Young Usually Female, Most times Vunerable, My Daughter had Just Lost her Father, , Childern, They are a Nuisance, to the Establishment, They Disconnected my daughter from he first born early on. Sad. I will do what I Have to do Like I said I Keep My Word. I will send in DFS. what ever it takes. Is my grandson going to want to spend his every Saturday therfrom morning to night, I think not as he will not have fond memories. I will remind my Daughter how much she fought and rebele to go to church 1 hour on a Saturday or Sunday When she was a Child or Even Worse Her Teenage Years. Like Spoken in Other Topic, This Boy Has Energy, Personality, and Will Have Friends who will be celebrating birthday parties, pinics in the parks, Sports. I Had It Out Wth My Daugther Once Again Yesterday, Pretty Often Occurances Between Us Because I am Not Fake or Phoney and I Refuse to Say Its Something thats its Not. I Will Exercise My Grandparents Rights and told her we will see what a judge says about raisng a iinocent baby in a Cult. I Didn't and Don't Want to Raise My Grandson, Although I Will Do What I Need to do in Order to Keep Him Healthy and Hopefully Happy.
There was a time when a friend of mine at WMS was suffering bouts of emphacimer. This is when it becomes very difficult for someone to breathe like really bad asthma. We were together at 'Zion' on a Saturday which is the WMS 'Sabbath'. Anyway he wasn't looking too good and was actually struggling to sit up in his chair. This was just before worship on the 'Sabbath'. Now the 'brother' in charge of our group refused to do anything to help this other 'brother' because it was going to be during worship on the 'Sabbath' and he said the sick 'brother' ought to pray to 'Father and Mother' for healing. Long story short I drove the sick brother to the hospital alone because no-one else was willing to foresake the worship. At the hospital the doctor said that if he hadnt come to ER he would have died that day. I feel remorse because the WMS members never really treated this brother with much respect and no-one was willing to think outside of this craziness of missing a worship service on the 'Sabbath'. No one called him and no-one came to visit him until the next day because it was the 'Sabbath'. I made some good friends in WMS and I am sad that it had to end this way. The brother who was in hospital did get better in the end but I regret losing contact with him as a friend.
There was a time when a friend of mine at WMS was suffering bouts of emphacimer. This is when it becomes very difficult for someone to breathe like really bad asthma. We were together at 'Zion' on a Saturday which is the WMS 'Sabbath'. Anyway he wasn't looking too good and was actually struggling to sit up in his chair. This was just before worship on the 'Sabbath'. Now the 'brother' in charge of our group refused to do anything to help this other 'brother' because it was going to be during worship on the 'Sabbath' and he said the sick 'brother' ought to pray to 'Father and Mother' for healing. Long story short I drove the sick brother to the hospital alone because no-one else was willing to foresake the worship. At the hospital the doctor said that if he hadnt come to ER he would have died that day. I feel remorse because the WMS members never really treated this brother with much respect and no-one was willing to think outside of this craziness of missing a worship service on the 'Sabbath'. No one called him and no-one came to visit him until the next day because it was the 'Sabbath'. I made some good friends in WMS and I am sad that it had to end this way. The brother who was in hospital did get better in the end but I regret losing contact with him as a friend.
I understand that some things we experience in the wmscog are also cultural, they are not so specific to the church itself. These Koreans have a group mentality, where the well being of the group as a whole is greater than the one person who is sick. If the group is happy and ready to participate in worship, the needs of the one person is overlooked and neglected. I've seen it before, but not to the extreme as you mentioned where the brother needed medical attention right away. That's sounds scary that something like that could happen.
@Hyde That sounds so like Wms. I had a “brother”, who had seriously hurt his back on his job and was in the hospital with two cracked veritbrae and a slipped disk. The overseer visited only once, and other members who asked could they visit, were told no. I didnt ask permission and went between services to check on him. When the member got out of the hospital, he was initially on a wheelchair and after some time, was able to use a walker. One day he showed up to preaching assembly, and wanted to go preaching. He was told to go home. Not only does WMS not value the sick or needy, but they are concerned with appearences. I bet Wms would never preach to a person in a wheelchair, unless they found out that person was a multi-millionaire.
So happy you took your brother to get treated, had he passed away I bet not one of those fake or phoney love-bombing, happy all the time, (Not) , Members, Expecially, Leaders would't have given him a second thought. All they care about is $ Bottom Line. God Bless You For Saving his life and probably soul too… I told my Daughters baby daddy yesterday, if not for him my baby grandson may not be with us today. I also had to remind them if anything happens to that innocent baby, there will be another law suit agaisnt the WMS, This time for Homicide, Wrongful Death…
UntouchableJ wrote:
@Hyde That sounds so like Wms. I had a "brother", who had seriously hurt his back on his job and was in the hospital with two cracked veritbrae and a slipped disk. The overseer visited only once, and other members who asked could they visit, were told no. I didnt ask permission and went between services to check on him. When the member got out of the hospital, he was initially on a wheelchair and after some time, was able to use a walker. One day he showed up to preaching assembly, and wanted to go preaching. He was told to go home. Not only does WMS not value the sick or needy, but they are concerned with appearences. I bet Wms would never preach to a person in a wheelchair, unless they found out that person was a multi-millionaire.My Daughters Brother is 20 years old Autistic, Very Intellengent Young Man, They Want nothing to do with him surprised that didn't try to take his inheratance as they did hers, I think they know I am not PLAYIN
@Kelli We had a woman, who had a young nephew who was high on the Spectrum. Although he was young they didn’t make the greatest effort with him either. He wasnt in Sabbath school, and had to stay with her all day. Very Sad
Mayor and Mike wrote:
I understand that some things we experience in the wmscog are also cultural, they are not so specific to the church itself. These Koreans have a group mentality, where the well being of the group as a whole is greater than the one person who is sick. If the group is happy and ready to participate in worship, the needs of the one person is overlooked and neglected. I've seen it before, but not to the extreme as you mentioned where the brother needed medical attention right away. That's sounds scary that something like that could happen.
I always felt confused when trying to make distinctions between Korean culture and church teachings. I think you are right about a group mentality taking over possibly being cultural but I can also see how this sort of thing ties in with keeping the mind control at a high level. If you are willing to make sacrifices for the good of the church then you are a true believer. Sacrifice you friends, money, family, time, health and even your belief in your community. I cant tell you how many times I was told to come to 'Zion' where it is 'safe' from the wickedness of the world.
UntouchableJ wrote:
@Kelli We had a woman, who had a young nephew who was high on the Spectrum. Although he was young they didn't make the greatest effort with him either. He wasnt in Sabbath school, and had to stay with her all day. Very Sad
UntouchableJ wrote:
@Kelli We had a woman, who had a young nephew who was high on the Spectrum. Although he was young they didn't make the greatest effort with him either. He wasnt in Sabbath school, and had to stay with her all day. Very Sad
My Son is High Functioning and Yesterday He Say's Marisa his sister, my daughter, "Is In a Cult ands Theres Nothing We Can Do About It… Breaks My Heart That He Knows This and She Either Pretends Not To Or So Brain Washed She Really Is Cluess
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