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Many of the members here will take what’s discussed here back to the WMS. This is where one or more people will try to put a spin on whatever’s being discussed. My loved one used to do this all the time. It’s a child like dependency because the member has a hard time thinking for themselves. When the study they are regurgitating turns south on them a thought stopping excuse is made. After the discussion is at a stand still the member either calls for help or goes to the cult. This is called fleeing to Zion. At this point they are usually love bombed again and given more distractions to throw into the discussion or told to avoid the person altogether. When we are debating a WMS member we are probably confronting two or more people at the same time. Check out some of the discussions on this forum and you’ll see what I mean.
Actually translation of the Bible are varient to clarify redundencies and other minutiae surely you don't accept only the first ever English translation as accurate.
shimon wrote:
Actually translation of the Bible are varient to clarify redundencies and other minutiae surely you don't accept only the first ever English translation as accurate.
here you go:
entire paragraphs and sentences removed that were failed prophecies.
The "failed prophecies" are grammatically nonsense so I don't have a clue what he is saying
Shimon,
Can you look past the grammatical errors and deal with the issues here?
The entire paragraph was removed. Why?
Why does Ahnsahnghong's literature get changed over time?
Without having the slightest clue what he is saying I cannot tell you
The website claims Father claims a generation is forty years but HE is the one who wrote a generation is 70 years
Shimon,
Can you please provide a source for the 70 year claim? I would like to look this up and see for myself since this would be a huge contradiction.
Also, what do you think Ahnsahnghong is saying? What are the possible interpretations of that paragraph? It seems like you just want to dismiss what was taken out. Do you look at the Bible the same way? Wouldn't you want to know what it says?
Um no the temple was destroyed 40 years later in 70 AD
Thanks for the info loocpoc 🙂
Shimon,
Please provide the source for Ahn writing that a generation is 70 years.
Thank you.
shimon wrote:
The "failed prophecies" are grammatically nonsense so I don't have a clue what he is saying
what do you mean by this? they seem pretty straightforward to me.
also, how do you explain their removal?
shimon wrote:
ttr wrote:
shimon wrote:
The "failed prophecies" are grammatically nonsense so I don't have a clue what he is saying
what do you mean by this? they seem pretty straightforward to me.
also, how do you explain their removal?
It in no way says the end of the world will be at any point in time period
it's clear to me that he says the world will end within 40 years of his writing. ignoring that though there is a bigger problem… his writings were altered and the paragraphs/sentences were removed. why did that happen?
ttr wrote:
shimon wrote:
ttr wrote:
shimon wrote:
The "failed prophecies" are grammatically nonsense so I don't have a clue what he is saying
what do you mean by this? they seem pretty straightforward to me.
also, how do you explain their removal?
It in no way says the end of the world will be at any point in time period
it's clear to me that he says the world will end within 40 years of his writing. ignoring that though there is a bigger problem… his writings were altered and the paragraphs/sentences were removed. why did that happen?
If I don't know what he says I cannot explain it's removal.
shimon wrote:
If I don't know what he says I cannot explain it's removal.
then read the Korean. if you don't read Korean, have someone who does read it to you.
your false messiah's works have been revised over time.
there's also three chapters that were removed.
so God writes a book, and you don't have all it? and the part you do has been changing over time?
seems strange to me. would you accept such changes when it comes to your Bible?
Most.of the chapters.are in more than one book again I’d need.to see
ttr wrote:
so God writes a book, and you don't have all it? and the part you do has been changing over time?
Think about what you just said for a moment, and what we've been doing for thousands of years.
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But, in more recent news, the things that were changed were actually things that I don't care about now that I've learned them. They're pretty irrelevant to eternal life, for starters, theres zero reason you need to know their personal life in order to read bible verses and emulate the Apostles.
Also, those claims are nothing like the lifestyle that was kept by Ahn Sahng Hong, Mother, and General Pastor once the prophecies were started and fulfilled.
Further, its possible there was a very specific reason why things had to happen like they did.
Finally, I've heard a lot of "this isn't official but" "we can't prove he was, but" "this may be a legitimate article" and just a lot of assumptions in general. I mean maybe its true, but something that I don't even care about, has missing details anyway.
I mean you have to be pretty desperate trying to find dirt to fling at this point.
I know I am super late on this response, but yes. If someone changes their story, either the original or the change must be a lie if not both. This goes with anyone, even the COG. If the COG teaches 1 + 1 = fish then says 1 + 1 = 2, the lesson has changed completely. Which is a lie and which is truth? Because the latter can be proven, we can say the latter is truth & the former is a lie. But my question is, why would the COG change their teaching? That question is directed to the members.
One teaching I have experienced: Last year as I was preaching, someone approached me & said I was apart of the church that believed the world was going to end in 2012. I boldly said no because I had never been taught that. I went back to Zion & asked about this to my Missionary. She said no one knows the end times except God. I assumed that meant we didn't believe the world would end in 2012 because that would be knowing the end times. Toward the end of 2011, it was passed down that Mother said the completion of the temple would be in 2012 and this is the year we would all go to Heaven. According to the studies I have had, no one is going to Heaven until the destruction comes upon us. If we are to go in 2012, then the destruction must happen in 2012. Huge change! I recently had a conversation about this with a Brother. He said, no. The completion of the temple doesn't mean the destruction will happen this year. Huge difference in teaching! I was also taught that Mother will tell us to stop preaching & 7 days after we will go to Heaven. Any member, if you recall anything like this, please clarify. The study went along the lines of the Feast of Tabernacles. How much good offerings were provided then God said stop making offerings and the Feast was 7 days long. Good offerings = good fruit (lost Brothers or Sisters). Stop making offerings (stop preaching). Feast 7 days long (after 7 days we will go to Heaven).
What is even more upsetting! A Brother tells me the 144,000 have already been found but have not been notified?? What?!
renita.payno wrote:
I know I am super late on this response, but yes. If someone changes their story, either the original or the change must be a lie if not both. This goes with anyone, even the COG. If the COG teaches 1 + 1 = fish then says 1 + 1 = 2, the lesson has changed completely. Which is a lie and which is truth? Because the latter can be proven, we can say the latter is truth & the former is a lie. But my question is, why would the COG change their teaching? That question is directed to the members.
One teaching I have experienced: Last year as I was preaching, someone approached me & said I was apart of the church that believed the world was going to end in 2012. I boldly said no because I had never been taught that. I went back to Zion & asked about this to my Missionary. She said no one knows the end times except God. I assumed that meant we didn't believe the world would end in 2012 because that would be knowing the end times. Toward the end of 2011, it was passed down that Mother said the completion of the temple would be in 2012 and this is the year we would all go to Heaven. According to the studies I have had, no one is going to Heaven until the destruction comes upon us. If we are to go in 2012, then the destruction must happen in 2012. Huge change! I recently had a conversation about this with a Brother. He said, no. The completion of the temple doesn't mean the destruction will happen this year. Huge difference in teaching! I was also taught that Mother will tell us to stop preaching & 7 days after we will go to Heaven. Any member, if you recall anything like this, please clarify. The study went along the lines of the Feast of Tabernacles. How much good offerings were provided then God said stop making offerings and the Feast was 7 days long. Good offerings = good fruit (lost Brothers or Sisters). Stop making offerings (stop preaching). Feast 7 days long (after 7 days we will go to Heaven).
What is even more upsetting! A Brother tells me the 144,000 have already been found but have not been notified?? What?!
I have a lot to say to this:
1)No one but God knows when Father will come followed by Father will come this year (not saying the second is true or not true possible but thats another issue) would not be a contradiction:
Say I tell you I have to go to work but do not say when so you could have this conversation with your friend
You: Shimon has to work tonight
Friend: When?
You: I do not knonw
Later I could say, "I am going to work tonight at 10:45 so I can get to work at eleven"
Then you could later tell your friend, "Shimon has to be at work at eleven."
That does not make your previous statement about not knowing a lie.
2) The 2012 aspect of the study is about the fulfillment of the Gospel age not the end of the world so that could or could not be when Father returns.
3) You have agreed even Zion has false prophets in it so we need to know Zion teaching versus that of our brothers and sisters imaginations.
4) As far as the 144,000 being found it is possible everyone who will be in the 144,000 is found but they certainly by Father's explanation are not chosen, he explained how the winds would be let go when the 144,000 were sealed.
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