[Joshua]

Many of the members here will take what’s discussed here back to the WMS. This is where one or more people will try to put a spin on whatever’s being discussed. My loved one used to do this all the time. It’s a child like dependency because the member has a hard time thinking for themselves. When the study they are regurgitating turns south on them a thought stopping excuse is made. After the discussion is at a stand still the member either calls for help or goes to the cult. This is called fleeing to Zion. At this point they are usually love bombed again and given more distractions to throw into the discussion or told to avoid the person altogether. When we are debating a WMS member we are probably confronting two or more people at the same time. Check out some of the discussions on this forum and you’ll see what I mean.

[Joshua]

[Joshua]

Shimon, sorry but I just don't believe that you don't share this with other members of your group. There has been too much flip flopping and misdirection in your posts all over this forum to believe that it's all you.

[Simon]

When have I once flip flopped

And frankly whether you believe me is not relevant to its truth

[Joshua]

Whatever.

[Simon]

I hope that isn't your true mind there…

[Joshua]

I’m afraid that in this particular instance it is. Some of us cannot be badgered into agreement by an overabundance of misinformation. In another post you said that the problem is that you chose this group based on the doctrine. The real problem is that you made this decision based on the information that you had at the time. It’s not your fault for making the decision that you did. At the time based on the information you had you made the best decision you probably could have. Now you’re in a completely different place. You have alot more information now. More facts have been made available to you. You have far too much information now to claim to be ignorant. God holds us accountable for what we know. You are aware of the problems with this doctrine and you still choose to be counted with the mislead. If you think the excuse that you don’t have a reasonable alternative to be a part of is going to keep you out of the fire your in for a rude awakening. You have spent alot of time on this site reading truth and yet you still deny it. There are some who will not be saved but don’t take anyone with you when you go ok!?!

[Simon]

Well apparently your true mind includes major trust issues and rewritting history as much as you accuse WMC of.

[Joshua]

Yes, I do not trust the WMSCOG! Nothing hidden there. Their teachings are such that they have tried to rewrite history. With research people have been able to find out that the WMSCOG’s historical claims are false. They blatantly lie to people. This is no accident. They lie on purpose in order to further their own agendas. It’s engineered and man made. I wish you would stop being counted among the enemies of God.

[Simon]

Even if wmc lies that doesn’t mean I do

[Joshua]

So the WMS lies, teaches you the lies, you believe the lies, you spread the lies, and then you claim that you don’t lie. Shimon, I have been trying to easy up with my comments towards your posts but you put things like this out there. I feel that I am being forced to call a spade a spade. I still hope that one day we could become friends sharing in the love of God. Please think about what you’re saying and confessing to. Hold it up to Gods Word and when it doesn’t match up, throw it out of your life. You can find the real truth in all of this. Please try.

[Simon]

Joshua if my testimony about God is untrue that is a different kind of "lie" on my part than statements on who I am and what I am doing.

[genny]

If you know something is false and repeat it, that's lying, intending to deceive.  If you yourself have been deceived to believe a lie, and then you repeat it, you are mistaken and in error, but think you are telling the truth.  You are still wrong, and it is still a lie, but the motive is different, and I would not call the person a liar in the second case.

[Love'n Honey]

Kind of like Adam & Eve. Eve knew it was wrong to eat the fruit but still gave it to Adam who also knew it was wrong to eat the fruit & ate it. In the past several months, almost every situation I've come across has reminded me of a story in the bible. It's very true when Solomon said, what has been will be again. I definitely talk to WMSCOG members about what I read on this site. I haven't told them the name of this site but I have raised questions to see what they say. How do you catch someone in a lie? Ask them a lot of questions that seem, at 1st glance, irrelevant to each other. Once you put all the answers together, if the person is lying*, an answer to one question won't match up with the answer to another. So, yes, I do talk to some members about what's spoken here because you say things that I haven't thought of before. You also make me think about all the studies I've had. But so far, no descrepencies* have surfaced. I also talk to people who don't believe in Ahnsahnghong whatsoever & even they agree that some of the points here are weak.

[Emily]

renita.payno wrote:

Kind of like Adam & Eve. Eve knew it was wrong to eat the fruit but still gave it to Adam who also knew it was wrong to eat the fruit & ate it. In the past several months, almost every situation I've come across has reminded me of a story in the bible. It's very true when Solomon said, what has been will be again. I definitely talk to WMSCOG members about what I read on this site. I haven't told them the name of this site but I have raised questions to see what they say. How do you catch someone in a lie? Ask them a lot of questions that seem, at 1st glance, irrelevant to each other. Once you put all the answers together, if the person is lying*, an answer to one question won't match up with the answer to another. So, yes, I do talk to some members about what's spoken here because you say things that I haven't thought of before. You also make me think about all the studies I've had. But so far, no descrepencies* have surfaced. I also talk to people who don't believe in Ahnsahnghong whatsoever & even they agree that some of the points here are weak.

Renita,

What would you think if you found out that the WMSCOG altered some of Ahn's books?  By altered, I mean deleted some words and changed others.  Would that be evidence of a lie to you?

[Simon]

wouldn't it depend what was omited and what was changed?

[ttr]

shimon wrote:

wouldn't it depend what was omited and what was changed?

in regard to your question, how would you apply it to Revelation 22:18-19?:

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.  And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book. – Rev 22:18-19

[Simon]

Ahnsahnghong's books aren't the Bible now are they?

[Simon]

Furthermore without seeing the changes I cannot see if they are in fact omissions/changes in the true sense or a more literal sense. After all translation often requires omission and changes for linguistic integirty.

[ttr]

shimon wrote:

After all translation often requires omission and changes for linguistic integirty.

an accurate point.  i would agree with you that there can be legitimate changes to how translations are made.

i would find it troubling though if the revisions went beyond that.  would you agree?

[ttr]

shimon wrote:

Ahnsahnghong's books aren't the Bible now are they?

are you saying this verse applies only to the Bible and not Ahn's books then?

are Ahn's books not the word of your god?

(just trying to understand where you are coming from)

[Simon]

I would need to see but most likely.