- Topic
Hello fam! I'm writing up short bible studies so I can be prepared when I finally approach members of the WMSCOG. I'll post them here so you can review them and help me make them better. Because many members won't come to this site, I think it's appropiate to speak from our mouths to them. I'm trying to keep the studies short, sweet, and to the point. It should take no longer than 5 minutes for me to get the point across.
How Many Gods Does the Bible Testify?
The WMSCOG preaches there are 2 Gods, the Father and the Mother. They use many verses in the Bible to back up this idea. For every verse they use to prove their side, there is at least one verse which contradicts them. Let us begin with the Hebrew term "Elohim."
Who is Elohim?
The direct translation of Elohim is Gods, a plural word. From this word alone, it is implied that there is more than one God. Ge 1:26-27, God (Elohim) uses the terms "us" and "our." If there is only one God, the proper way to describe who created mankind is to use "me" and "my." But because God uses "us" and "our", that means someone created humans along with God the Father. Ge 1:1 says God created the heavens and the earth. Therefore, the "us" in Ge 1:26 applies only to God, not the angels, hosts, or other angelic creatures. From these verses, can we say there is more than one God? Mal 2:10-15 heavily contradicts the claims of the WMSCOG. "Did not one God create us?" (Mal 2:10). You may ask what Hebrew term for "God" was used here. To answer, it is "El" a singular word, not "Elohim." Right away, the Scripture goes against itself saying more than one God created us in Ge 1:26 and saying only one God created us in Mal 2:10. So which is it, Gods or God?
We (Singular) Are Not the Slightest Bit Pleased
The use of a plural pronoun to refer to a single person is called the majestic plural. Nosism is the use ot the majestic plural. It illustrates the power and dignity of a particular person or being, singular. The only way for Ge 1:26 and Mal 2:10 to be in harmony with each other is if the God who created mankind is nosistic.
Shall We (Plural) Worship Other Gods?
There are many false gods but as we just learned, the Scripture only testifies of one nosistic God who blesses us. Dt 11:16 says be careful not to worship other gods. No matter how many verses or which faulty evidence a false prophets provides us, do not let them "deceive you by fine-sounding arguements." Col 2:4
What about 2 Samuel 7:14
doesn't say God the Father but God is calling himself a father
Simon, God in the O.T did not call Himself a Father, but Jesus did. He even said in the bible the "Father and I are one." Father is "Abba" in Hebrew, it was used many times by Jesus, even up to his death on the cross where he said "Father, why have you forsaken me?"
This is just old info so I'm going to repeat this, God said that He would create man in his IMAGE and LIKENESS right? IMAGE does not mean gender (male and female), because if it does, how could you explain animals having a gender? Did GOD created animals in His image too?
Can you say "Oh, look I have two cats, one is female and one is male. How cute, they have God's image! See my point? So the image here actually pertains of giving man a SPIRIT, as God is a spirit and likeness means giving man a SPIRITUAL NATURE, which enables man to think for himself and have free will, which animals don't have.
One other thing, if we have a female god, and we are called Children of God, why didn't God just give birth to us? It was said that God CREATED man, not God GAVE BIRTH to man. But if you accept that there's a male and female god, you must question the method of our creation. Man and Woman gives birth to children right? Then why did God didn't give birth to us His children? Uhmm…Maybe because HE is not a FEMALE? I don't know if I am making a point here. But tell me what you think of this topic.
well actually Jesus said my god my god why have thou forsaken me not father
As for image being gender thats not exactly the teaching the teaching its gender is part of image doesn’t make everything with gender in gods image by their theory furthermore they point to romans 1:20 to explain animal gender any way so…
What’s if Jesus is god
Simon wrote:
well actually Jesus said my god my god why have thou forsaken me not father
As for image being gender thats not exactly the teaching the teaching its gender is part of image doesn't make everything with gender in gods image by their theory furthermore they point to romans 1:20 to explain animal gender any way so…
Opps sorry for that misinfo about the forsaken thing. Though you can't deny Jesus did say "The Father and I are one"
But that's the point Simon, the God that made man in Genesis, does not a have physical image. He is a spirit, invisible. The only reason that He came down to earth to be a man is to save us through His blood which was shed for the forgiveness of sin. I looked at Romans 1:20 but I don't understand it explaining anything about animal gender. can you expound on this?
Renita, what biblical analysis is it that contradicts the saying that Jesus is God? Do you have a site or book for it? I am interested in reading about it.
By new covenant are you pertaining about the Lord's Supper or do you mean a very different matter entirely. Because as I know, the New covenant that Jesus made was when He died on the cross, he saved us from our sins and in remembrance of this, we must celebrate the Lord's Supper which is in Matthew.
Elievalkyrie wrote:
But that's the point Simon, the God that made man in Genesis, does not a have physical image. He is a spirit, invisible. The only reason that He came down to earth to be a man is to save us through His blood which was shed for the forgiveness of sin. I looked at Romans 1:20 but I don't understand it explaining anything about animal gender. can you expound on this?
Scripture does not substantiate the notion spirit is invisible…
Exodus 33:18Then Moses said, “Now show me your glory.”
19And the Lord said, “I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the Lord, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 20But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”
21Then the Lord said, “There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock. 22When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by. 23Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen.”
the Bible still says he has a visible form.
what about when he appeared to Abraham with 2 angels by his side, and told Abraham that Sarah will be with a child. He came in a human form, Yes???
I would say so
Simon wrote:
I would say so
Abraham called him lord, was the word lord only used for GOD or not?
the reason I'm asking who has the privilage to be called lord is because of Genesis 19 and why would Lot bow down to angels? Where these angels perhaps the father & son?
19 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.”
ALSO, I was not aware that Angels can grant request, or spare lives, I thought only God had the power to do that.??
>But Lot said to them, “No, my lords please! your servant has found favor in eyes, and you have shown great kindness to me in sparing my life. But I can’t flee to the mountains; this disaster will overtake me, and I’ll die. Look, here is a town near enough to run to, and it is small. Let me flee to it—it is very small, isn’t it? Then my life will be spared.”
>He said to him, “Very well, I will grant this request too; I will not overthrow the town you speak of. But flee there quickly, because I cannot do anything until you reach it.” (That is why the town was called Zoar.
That’s the problem with the pharisaic tradition of not using gods name being used for translation. Genesis 18 is god and two angels and 19 is just the two angels.
LORD=Yehovah (god)
Lord=any number of people can include god but not always.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.