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I know team leaders are usually in charge of a small group & they need to be firm in their faith.
They are usually 21-28?
Next is Deaconess / deacons and are in charge of everyone as a whole?
So who gets paid? I remember hearing that in the Zion’s I was with , only missionaries get salary and that deacons get paid sometimes and TL’s get bonuses for every tithing member who stays or church debit cards.
The religion part never got me hooked but the business aspect did.
It seemed that the leaders never really had a Worldly job they were always in church no matter time of day/night.
I also found it interesting that the Korean deacons/deaconesses and certain sisters who were direct from Korea were very private and very quiet , kind of like keeping a watchful eye.
Leaders also were very private about anything to do with their private lives but insisted they knew every detail about sisters and brothers lives.
This was in a nj/ny Zion’s.
Any experience similar?
Is this similar for all churches of god?
My son is a deacon and he isn't paid. I think sometimes they give a person a position based on how much money they have given. I do believe the missionairies are paid, though. How else could they live? When the pastor in Chicago Zion was asked how he lived if he wasn't paid (which he said he wasn't) he said,"Oh, I have an electronics company back in Korea. if he was talking about the one I think he was, that isn't just in Korea. It is also wherever they have a church here. He wasn't being honest, and no one dug deeper.
never meta deacon or deaconess without a worldly job and so far as I’ve heard noone is paid per Paul’sexample and I’d never heard ofteamleaders
There are two primary categories for "gospel workers" namely full time and part time. Titles are secondary but the Koreans remain the heads of the operation while maintaining a local front.
I remember when I was a "leader" and did something without running it past my Korean master he would become livid. The shift from adorable teddy bear to ravenous wolf was instanteneous as it was scary, especially in an organisation where anything less than perfection is punishable by guilt and shame.
But back to the gospel workers, it mainly depends on a person's financial status. If a person makes a lot of money then it's recommended that they keep their job. Normally this person is then recommended to branch out and start a house church or stay and support the church financially. If they start a church they would assume the entire financial burden as per father and mother's example who were single and dead broke, near starvation but began house churches. They would do all this in the hope of getting blessings (whatever that means)
If a person is very faithful and has an exceptional ability to recruit other minions but doesn't make that much money then it's recommended that they quit school or their job and become full time gospel workers. These get a stipend, peanuts really just to get the bare necessities, like food. So the faithful full time workers don't get paid that much, so they're not in it for the money, especially if they're local.
Deacons are male and in certain instances are allowed to give batisms and give sermons and even head up churches. Women with the similar title always play a supportive role and are encouraged to act like a woman who doesn't even exist: mother. Women never give sermons or baptise but are allowed to make prayers.
Koreans in local churches are for the most part spies, they may come accross as inquisitive and caring, but they really love to gossip about the locals. Especially when it comes to cultural practices that are different to the way things are done in Korea. They like to change people trying to adapt the Korean way, for example when men don't bow to their superior during a handshake they're considered arrogant. If a local memeber tells them what they ditched the sabbath and chose to be with family they love to gossip about how weak their faith is.
The locals are usually kept in the dark in terms of any financial happenings. How much money the church made in tithes or offerings, what money was spent on what etc… There is no transparancy in anything financial. Some rubbish about temptation, like the Koreans are better suited to handle that knowledge and the locals could never.
Azula wrote:
Deacons are male and in certain instances are allowed to give batisms and give sermons and even head up churches. Women with the similar title always play a supportive role and are encouraged to act like a woman who doesn't even exist: mother. Women never give sermons or baptise but are allowed to make prayers.
I wonder why women are treated that way? Aren't we created in the image and likeness of God? Men as father and women as mother? So is mother inferior?
MountainMum your remark is inteesting. I've met some Korean Deacons, and no one had a job I know of. But they had some very nice, modern and expensive cell phones. they made some local people Deacon, but only the persons whom had spend a lot of money allready at the church. They pay their tiths, but also for transportation, and if they have to make phone calls on behalf of the church comes out of their own pocket. I assume they will give the local people with money the title of Deacon, just to keep them inside.
The moods of the grouppeople can swing I know, especially if you don't agree with their doctrines of believe what they say. If you question a lot you either a burden, or confused.
@Curious 1: Yes, I am quite sure my son was given the position because of the money he gave. He wasn't even asked, they just gave him the title without consulting him. He was surprised. The year before they wouldn't even let him teach a child's class because he didn't pass some test, the way I understand it. Then the next year he's a deacon without any qualification at all, just out of the blue? They figure they have him completely under control. Maybe so, but maybe they are losing ground and don't know it, too.
Teach a child's what!?!? :O
I thought this was reserved for catholic preasts only.
These people have lost all sanity. ๐
Teach them to be afraid of Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny! Lol! And any people who aren't petrified of losing their salvation!
ahah no, i was talking about the part that is censored. I thought it was dirty stuff ๐
Lol! I wasn't thinking along those lines.
emil wrote:
Azula wrote:
Deacons are male and in certain instances are allowed to give batisms and give sermons and even head up churches. Women with the similar title always play a supportive role and are encouraged to act like a woman who doesn't even exist: mother. Women never give sermons or baptise but are allowed to make prayers.
I wonder why women are treated that way? Aren't we created in the image and likeness of God? Men as father and women as mother? So is mother inferior?
@Emil … The Bible discriminate against women. in fact, all religions do, yet, women are greater in number when it comes to following a religion. numbers are 10 to 1…I wonder why is that…
So basically, they give out titles to people who give money? Is that it?
Too Hungry wrote:
So basically, they give out titles to people who give money? Is that it?
It appears that those who give lots of money AND those who are especially adept at recruiting are rewarded through promotion (to a point) …. but ultimately Zhang, Kim and Lee and their Korean cohorts run all the money and the cult … so no matter how much you give or how hard you work you only go so far.
Yes, i believe they give titles to people who give a lot or recruit well. I know my son doesn't recruit well, so they probably guilted him into giving a lot of money. He does that well.
Travis wrote:
emil wrote:
Azula wrote:
Deacons are male and in certain instances are allowed to give batisms and give sermons and even head up churches. Women with the similar title always play a supportive role and are encouraged to act like a woman who doesn't even exist: mother. Women never give sermons or baptise but are allowed to make prayers.
I wonder why women are treated that way? Aren't we created in the image and likeness of God? Men as father and women as mother? So is mother inferior?
@Emil … The Bible discriminate against women. in fact, all religions do, yet, women are greater in number when it comes to following a religion. numbers are 10 to 1…I wonder why is that…
That is categorically false
emil wrote:
Azula wrote:
Deacons are male and in certain instances are allowed to give batisms and give sermons and even head up churches. Women with the similar title always play a supportive role and are encouraged to act like a woman who doesn't even exist: mother. Women never give sermons or baptise but are allowed to make prayers.
I wonder why women are treated that way? Aren't we created in the image and likeness of God? Men as father and women as mother? So is mother inferior?
Well it's because there's only one "mother". There needed to be a clear distincion as to who is mother, because if there were other women up on the pulpit giving sermons the distinction might not be that obvious. So other women are required to remain silent and in the background. So until she joins ash, who's preaching in China, there most probably wont be any women giving sermons or baptism.
They do like to keep "Mother" separate from others. On their calendar on the month where it's Mother's Day, they have a picture of her and a verse that implies she is the only "mother" who won't forget her children. Bull.
MountainMom wrote:
They do like to keep "Mother" separate from others. On their calendar on the month where it's Mother's Day, they have a picture of her and a verse that implies she is the only "mother" who won't forget her children. Bull.
She's the ONLY mother who does NOT know her children!! What a bunch of BS they promote!
So true, Ms.Freedom. And as far as forgetting my son, well, for five years every day I have gone to bed concerned about him and get up concerned about him. That Mother in Korea is only concerned about her "I Love You(r money) Foundation."
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