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I was thinking about this the other day when I posted on the "stealing faith" string. When I use to pray to God, I would pray silently or sometimes out loud, but always in English because that is the only language I know. So if you are praying to a woman who only speaks Korean, how does she get your prayers? Are the prayers to mother sent telepathically and they go unanswered because they are not in Korean and she doesn't understand them? How does that work?
When we pray, I picture God watching over the world from a heavenly position and he understands all the prayers no matter what language because he is… God! But we know that Zang is physically in Korea so does she have a crystal ball? How does she hear prayers and know what is going on? Because as a god – she should know everything that is going on, right?
An ex-member told me that a trip had been planned several years ago for members to go to South Korea to see mother, but North Korea started its shenanigans and all international flights to South Korea were cancelled. I asked the ex-member why that wasn't a red flag to him. If she is god then why did she not know that? Did she know and just wanted to waste the members time and money? It seems for somebody with a god title she acts pretty human!
Maybe she has intercessors so my prayers to her in English, showed up on someones mental prayer list who speaks English and German and then they pass it to someone who speaks German and Spanish and that gets passed until it eventually makes it to mother who only speaks Korean. But then wouldn't that be like the game of telephone where the end message received is totally different from the beginning message? I would be afraid that if I asked for help finding a job, that by the time it reached mother she might receive it as I need help finding the john! Just wondering…
I don't really want to talk about his marriage. Sorry.
No problem mountain mom.
I still can’t believe how this group can do what they do. On second thought, stay away from WMS. Maybe this is a job for D. Trump after he gets into office. Lol. Has anyone heard his radio ad? Whoa mama z!
Regarding marriage in zion i know for sure it is not Zang who decides it is the pastors wife who will ask leaders how is xyz for jane and the leaders opinion will be asked reasons will be given he has a good job and jane can do gospel work has a house of his own etc.Many marriages here in mumbai have been conducted on a quite with the approval of the leaders ,but true the final words you hear in the end is Zang has decided or said and members fall prey to it.There was a missionanary who said Zang has given him a wife from Korea both divoced before but got married as per Zang wish again one fine day in a months time we hear from pune his wife left him and quitely returned to Korea when asked he says she was not faithful.Now someone please tell me did Zang not know this was going to happen? Basicaly i know know for sure Zang has no idea of whats happening any where in the zions it is all controlled by the assembly in Korea.When a letter is written the pastor will read it and see what playing in the members mind,for example the member has asked for a car.Then the leader is given a hint to teach members not to ask for phycical things ask for spritual things like saving souls ,or a bigger zion,to be a good gospel worker.Even if there is a problem in the zion among members which cant be solved by the pastor or leaders it is the assembly who handles it.Here in Mumbai many zion have been changed in a span of 1 year due to disturbance of members going in and out,and a lot of money has been spent like Lacs of rupees of the members was Zang not aware that they have to leave the place in a years time so dont spend lots of money on it.Does Zang not know that in this period of trouble her children will ask for the support of the RC church.Does Zang not know about the internal love affairs going on in various zions,so i really wonder how does she receives prayers.
UntouchableJ wrote:
The funny thing is, they always have a back up answer, then if another question comes they fall to their go to statement; "We will study about that later."
@Untouchable I loveddddd that one.
"There's a study about that later"
"You need to study more"
"You'll understand once you study more"
For me the best quote was "Clear or not clear" and God forbid it wasn't clear to someone, they would want to study the same study all over again.
Abhigail Delema wrote:
Regarding marriage in zion i know for sure it is not Zang who decides it is the pastors wife who will ask leaders how is xyz for jane and the leaders opinion will be asked reasons will be given he has a good job and jane can do gospel work has a house of his own etc.Many marriages here in mumbai have been conducted on a quite with the approval of the leaders ,but true the final words you hear in the end is Zang has decided or said and members fall prey to it.There was a missionanary who said Zang has given him a wife from Korea both divoced before but got married as per Zang wish again one fine day in a months time we hear from pune his wife left him and quitely returned to Korea when asked he says she was not faithful.Now someone please tell me did Zang not know this was going to happen? Basicaly i know know for sure Zang has no idea of whats happening any where in the zions it is all controlled by the assembly in Korea.When a letter is written the pastor will read it and see what playing in the members mind,for example the member has asked for a car.Then the leader is given a hint to teach members not to ask for phycical things ask for spritual things like saving souls ,or a bigger zion,to be a good gospel worker.Even if there is a problem in the zion among members which cant be solved by the pastor or leaders it is the assembly who handles it.Here in Mumbai many zion have been changed in a span of 1 year due to disturbance of members going in and out,and a lot of money has been spent like Lacs of rupees of the members was Zang not aware that they have to leave the place in a years time so dont spend lots of money on it.Does Zang not know that in this period of trouble her children will ask for the support of the RC church.Does Zang not know about the internal love affairs going on in various zions,so i really wonder how does she receives prayers.
@Abhigail
Same story here in the States as well.
Overseers would pick who seemed like a good match and than set them up. One date and than they can marry.
I was told that a few were only husband/wife in Zion (spiritual brides and grooms), yet had a real husband/wife outside. I found that a bit demented.
They also said Zhang would change people's names. Some that met her in Korea, would have a whole different name when they returned.
Same with letters/messages sent to Mother. I knew someone who sent her emails all the time, one was about finding a job (as they were jobless). Low and behold a deacon got them a job the next week. That member claimed God answered their prayers, but I had suspicions that leaders read it and had someone offer them a position. Win win for both, member has a job and can now tithe again, also reassuring them that God had read their email and made it come true.
@SetUfree Yea, the good old, “Study” talk, lol. I am locked into a debate with a member who called me out after I commented on an Ex-members YT page. He called me a slanderer. I told him, “How is my experience slandering?”. Im just trying to show him that cults use these Watch words. These words trigger a directed emotion. My experience can’t be a lie/slander if it happened. The same goes for;
“Little faith”
“Spiritually dead”
“Grumbling and complaining”
“Luke warm faith”
These words made me cringe even typing them. These words have such strict association to behavior that they cause emotional stress. I remember dozing off during a Service. A member told me, falling asleep was like being “Spiritually dead”. I was so scared for thr longest. Mind yoy, tiredness is natural.
She def. is human. A human that thinks she is God. That has a sick hunger to want to be loved by the world.
Yeah God knows all tongues so for her to speak only one and read only one proves she’s fake. All knowing is all knowing, there is no ifs ands or buts about it.
There has been internal love affairs, spiritual husbands and wives, and zion hired a babylonian lawyer? Holy mama z!
I am locked into a battle with a Member of WMS, on an ex-members youtube channel. It just bkows me away with his and the churches logic. But they can’t see that Zhang doesnt nor has tried, to speak a spot of another language.
Is it on Brian Taylor's video? I'd like to read it.
@Mountain. its on Renita Payno’s page…ex member from Cal and then Seattle church. Here is the link https://plus.google.com/111495822837439761254/posts/jaG4X9ZpHeQ
Renita's videos are exceptionally good, aren't they? She does such a great job of debunking the Wms teachings, and she backs it up so well with Scripture. It is too bad that even when presented with the evidence, it is denied by members.
Denying the 2012 prophesy is the worst example of blindness. They most definitely did that, as you and I know. There are so many ex members who will testify to that. Plus I heard them say it to, and I wasn't even a member. How can people go on lying about that?
@Mountain Yes, everyone knows about 2012. Hell, this sitr has in its archives ASH notes saying 2012 would be thr year. As a member your only being blind if you ignore it.
It's ok brothers and sisters, come back again when you are free and we will study more to clear it up!
@kai Lol. I remember hearing that sooo often.
More WMS catch phrases;
“And clearly we can see, M&F through this scripture.”
“Little by Little”
“Amazzzziiinnnnggg!”
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