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I was thinking about this the other day when I posted on the "stealing faith" string. When I use to pray to God, I would pray silently or sometimes out loud, but always in English because that is the only language I know. So if you are praying to a woman who only speaks Korean, how does she get your prayers? Are the prayers to mother sent telepathically and they go unanswered because they are not in Korean and she doesn't understand them? How does that work?
When we pray, I picture God watching over the world from a heavenly position and he understands all the prayers no matter what language because he is… God! But we know that Zang is physically in Korea so does she have a crystal ball? How does she hear prayers and know what is going on? Because as a god – she should know everything that is going on, right?
An ex-member told me that a trip had been planned several years ago for members to go to South Korea to see mother, but North Korea started its shenanigans and all international flights to South Korea were cancelled. I asked the ex-member why that wasn't a red flag to him. If she is god then why did she not know that? Did she know and just wanted to waste the members time and money? It seems for somebody with a god title she acts pretty human!
Maybe she has intercessors so my prayers to her in English, showed up on someones mental prayer list who speaks English and German and then they pass it to someone who speaks German and Spanish and that gets passed until it eventually makes it to mother who only speaks Korean. But then wouldn't that be like the game of telephone where the end message received is totally different from the beginning message? I would be afraid that if I asked for help finding a job, that by the time it reached mother she might receive it as I need help finding the john! Just wondering…
Makes your head spin, doesn't it? Lol! Don't even get me started on some of the ridiculous things she said, through an interpreter, to visiting members. Not sure she understood the question. And yeah, pretty unGodlike. You would think God would understand perfectly. Nope, comic answers.
Ms Freedom, WMS has an explanation for many many things. WMS would probably tell you mama z is “almighty god.” So we were told that on a spiritual level she knows everything about you. But being in human form, she is restricted. Her spirit is God. We were supposed to believe along those lines. And that miracles are unnecessary because the Israelites never believed what they saw, to that effect anyways.
They also reference the scripture where Jesus said, “A wicked and perverse generation, requires a sign.” I was told that if Mother Z did miracles, our “love & faith” would be fake. In their logic, you have to see things via scripture.
There are theories [regarding same scenario for Jesus Christ] that they could cherrypick [or have already] for their own cult that would explain this problem away partially. However, they are probably reading this site, and I don't want to help them out any.
@MikeForester I have thought that alot, Mike. Every post , I think, “I dont want to teach them how to better deceive others.” When I first came out, I spoke to two Ex members who confirmed that the Koreans study us (especially Americans) very hard.
Mayor and Mike wrote:
Ms Freedom, WMS has an explanation for many many things. WMS would probably tell you mama z is "almighty god." So we were told that on a spiritual level she knows everything about you. But being in human form, she is restricted. Her spirit is God. We were supposed to believe along those lines. And that miracles are unnecessary because the Israelites never believed what they saw, to that effect anyways.
Ok, M&M, but if she is so restricted, then why would she try to answer a question a member asked that only an unrestricted all knowing God should know? She told a member that his wife was going to heaven. Well, she answered "Yes" when he asked anyway. The wife isn't a member, doesn't attend church, HATES the "Mother", doesn't believe she is God,and expressed the wish that she would die, etc. Yet the wife is going to heaven through the Wms, but her husband, who is a believing member and does all they ask and more, doesn't know if he will make the 144,000? How does that work?
The argument is ludicrous that she is restricted, or else maybe she doesn't know she is restricted and tries to answer questions only God would know. Anyway, it shows very obviously she is faking.
And as for the people not believing when Jesus was on the earth even though miracles were performed, well that doesn't hold water either. The Bible is full of testimony that people did believe fully back then.
Another thing to question about her "restrictions" because she is on earth. Who restricts God? I have read the oft repeated phrases about who follows who, and the last one says that Father Ahnsahnghong follows Mother. So please, who restricts her?
And if she is restricted, then why would she tell followers whom they should marry? I have heard of so many arranged marriages, and the way they got the member to marry a Korean was to tell them "Mother" told me you should marry this one. And then they are directed to someone they don't know or choose themselves,and in more than one case, who doesn't speak enough English to even start a relationship.
If she is restricted, why would she be able to make these decisions? Why should she try? Of course, the final answer is, she shouldn't because she isn't God, and that isn't how humans make decisions to marry in the free world.
According to the book of Acts chapter 2 God poured the holy spirit on the apostles. The gift of speaking tongues (other languages). This enabled them to speak in various languages and dialects. Being in the flesh shouldn't limit her to not being able to speak other languages if she's in fact God right? What would be their rebuttal to this?
@Lamb I was told that, “Toungues” is now the ability to preach the gospel of New Covenant all over the world despite language barrier(s). They referenced how Missionaries will drop into a country, bot knowing the language, and bare fruit. They also said that the “toungues” are not some non-understood sounds that other churches make.
Ms Freedom, I’m paraphrasing what I was told years ago. WMS gave me their ideology, said to me here, believe it all.
Isn’t there a lyric in the new songs that says, she is almighty god, but she doesn’t show her power?
Isn’t WMS just playing with what we should believe?
Do you know how Mama Z recieves prayers? The leaders on zion reports on the members. So if a members openly speaks about a prayer to a deacon or overseer, it’s then passed on to head office, to mama Z. Then a video is edited and made and sent back to that zion to continue the “mind control”.
Untouchable is right about the speaking in tongues, I was told the same thing. Mountain mom, the wife is going to heaven because there is an example in the bible about it and it’s part of their ideology.
Yea their interpretation….however anyone who clearly sees that verse knows it for what it is. How many times do we have to hear "well nowadays.. …."In this age….". My family is smarter than this! However those hooks are in so damn deep that they'll believe anything…smh
Mayor and Mike wrote:
Untouchable is right about the speaking in tongues, I was told the same thing. Mountain mom, the wife is going to heaven because there is an example in the bible about it and it's part of their ideology.
Ok, but how do they justify it in their ideology? Couldn't one who doesn't believe then just stay at home while the spouse does all the preaching, giving, attending, etc? I mean, how in the world does any of that make sense to anyone? They say you HAVE to attend Passover AND attend all the services and if the wife doesn't do any of the things they say you must do, why should anyone else have to do it?
If anyone is told that their spouse will go to heaven and their spouse isn't a believer, that spouse could at least use that to their advantage. For instance, they could say,"You can stop your incessant preaching to me now and just worry about yourself!" It would be a great way to get away from the obnoxious constant preachiing that seems to do nothing but cause problems and arguments.
The funny thing is, they always have a back up answer, then if another question comes they fall to their go to statement; “We will study about that later.”
I know right, so confusing. Mountain mom, you know what, we better study about this later…
WMS uses the example of Noah and his family entering the ark and being saved from the flood. But I think that example is told to the member in zion to keep his hopes up. But truly the answer probably no. The wife who greatly dislikes the mama better go to zion, keep worship, get baptized, start studying and then find the answer. Mayor and Mike can paraphrase for the WMS only so much.
Also, talking about marriage, that’s their control. Seems to me they’ll control you into a marriage. The overseer is also a match maker. I’m still figuring out this group.
Can I ask, Mountain mom? Is your son married to a korean?
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