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One of our members, lng, shared a link about on how cults works (generally) and I liked it so I decided to post it here so that everyone can see and read, so that if ever you encounter one again, the warning signs can flash in your mind and make you aware that they are acting kinda, for the lack of a better word, "culty".
I took it from here http://www.howcultswork.com/ but will just post the Key Points and the modern definition:
Mind control Cult – any group which employs mind control and deceptive recruiting techniques. In other words cults trick people into joining and coerce them into staying.
Key points:
1. No legitimate group needs to lie or mislead you about what they practice and believe.
2. Any group which says that you must belong to their organization to be saved is almost certainly a cult.
3. Character assasination (It's when the person tries to argue and his character is personally attack but doesn't answer his argument and only makes him feel guilty for arguing) is a sure sign of cult.
4. Cult members are usually very fearful of disobeying or disagreeing in any way with their leadership. Healthy organizations however are not threatened by openly debating issues.
5. Beward of "instant friends", remember true friendships develop over time.
6. Beward of a group that tells you who you can and cannot see.
7. If you are instructed by a group not to read information critical of the group, then that is a sign of a cult.
8. Legitimate groups have nothing to fear from their members reading critical information about them.
9. Is information you expected to be kept confidential reported to leadership? If so, then it's a cult.
10. Never-ending COMPULSORY meetings and tasks is a sign of a cult.
11. Be especially eager to surf the net if your leaders have told you not to.
Sarah2013 wrote:
Genny, I just fell outta my bed laughing. Enough!
I didn't mean to be funny. But it's always good to be able to laugh. 🙂
Good medicine It is. Thank God we can still laugh.
"He would not, for example, be a person who worshipped cows or prayed to Buddha"
Sure He could. It was contradictory for God to appear as a sinful "worm" such as a human man, who is a manifest sinner, but God did that Sin as Jesus. There is no rules governing what God is not allowed to do, and I would be careful before judging them -outside- of the context of God's own promises.
"So looking at the 14 characteristics, can you say that wmscog doesn't fit it?"
I think that you should read the way the Bible defines a cult, and how the Bible defines the true church.
You'll notice when doing so both examples of true Christianity and Sun God Worship get mixed results on your chart.
I repeat, that chart is not accurate concerning Christian doctrine, nor Jewish doctrine.
WMS brother wrote:
"He would not, for example, be a person who worshipped cows or prayed to Buddha"
Sure He could. It was contradictory for God to appear as a sinful "worm" such as a human man, who is a manifest sinner, but God did that Sin as Jesus. There is no rules governing what God is not allowed to do, and I would be careful before judging them -outside- of the context of God's own promises.
Are you saying that Jesus was a sinner?
And if you think that God would worship cows or pray to Buddha, please provide a scripture reference for any time when God says it's ok to worship a false god, or anything else besides the one true God.
it is worth noting Buddhists don't pray to anyone
"genny"
All men are sinners, anyone in the mortal flesh IS a sinner. This is the very reason why Muslims (and I have preached to quite a few) have said to me that they do not believe that its possible for God to take the form of mortal man, because God is perfect and not a sinner. Thus because all men are sinners, and God can -never- be a sinner, They argue that Jesus is not God.
I argue that God has the power to do anything at all, because God is Omnipotent, and its extremely presumptuous of man to dictate what God "can" or "cannot" do.
People who believe in the divinity of Christ Jesus, also argue that God will do as God pleases, even inhabiting a sinful body like Jesus.
The sin itself does not matter, for it is written: one who is guilty of breaking one of the laws, is guilty of breaking all of them.
There is no such thing as a "more severe" or "less severe" sin. Glancing at a woman is a sin. Everything, is a sin. It does not matter what kind of sin you commit, sin is sin.
Thus God is not bound by sin, and I would disregard any argument about God "sinning" unless it is something that is contradicting one of his promises to me. As long as I'm getting what I'm promised, it is not my place, nor anyone's place to question the method God desires to take.
"Job 25:6"
"how much less man, who is but a maggot–a son of man, who is only a worm!"
I believe that verse, among others, is the one which testifies to the manifest sinfulness of Mankind, who are born sinners.
To distinguish between sins is a waste of time, and the reason why I mocked it. A sin is a sin is a sin, and the wages for any sin is death. Absolute and clear-cut.
The Jews during the Time of Jesus mocked him for his sinning, and tried to trap him in sins. I can only imagine what events occured which were not included in the Bible. But, in reality, salvation matters, not trying to figure out how many wive's Jesus had (which is a moot point, and the moot point of that is my point.)
WMS brother wrote:
There is no such thing as a "more severe" or "less severe" sin.
Ahnsahnhong wrote otherwise
Can you tell me where, and in which book? I have several of them, and I don't remember that at all.
Although it is prudent to mention, there is a difference between a -forgiveable- sin, and an -unforgiveable sin- in the Bible.
It is written, that a variety of Feasts, and also Baptism, grant you the forgiveness of Sins as a promise from God.
In the Bible, after you are taught the truth, and after you are baptised, and after you basically accept God as your saviour, if you THEN disgrace and deny God you have fallen away and there is no promise of Forgiveness anymore.
Although it is also prudent to mention that our all merciful God of Love brings people back into the truth as it pleases him; defaming Christ after being in the Truth makes you loose the "promise" of forgiveness.
Anyways…
Assuming that it was not a misunderstanding, I'll check this topic again sometime for other quotes and comments.
I’ll have to look it up I just remember he wrote about varying sentences different sin
WMSbrother, you wrote a lot but I don't see you directly answering the point anywhere. So then, I think you are saying that yes, Jesus was sinful. Is that what you meant?
Ahn-Sahng-Hong did not predict falsely, or steal, or lie, so that is not relevant, and in fact only inflammatory.
But to answer the question anyway, in theory, yes he could.
In fact I think I remember verses about Jesus working on the Sabbath, and his answer was that "Even God works on the sabbath" even though working on the sabbath was a sin. Yeah lets go with that, Jesus is blatantly admitting that working on the Sabbath, which is a sin, is something that God does all the time, just by the very nature of being God.
"Jesus did not commit any sin known to man"
Psalm 51:5 "For I was born a sinner–yes, from the moment my mother conceived me."
It is the testimony of the bible that all people are born sinners. Yes. Jesus was a sinner. He was born a sinner, in the body of a sinner. The bible says so.
It is -despite- this, that he becomes the pure sacrifice without blemish. But you cannot ignore that the bible testifies we are all sinners from birth, all flesh is sin. Jesus overcomes this, because God is awesome.
WMS brother wrote:
It is the testimony of the bible that all people are born sinners. Yes. Jesus was a sinner. He was born a sinner, in the body of a sinner. The bible says so.
Hebrews 4:15, "For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet was without sin."
It is -despite- this, that he becomes the pure sacrifice without blemish. But you cannot ignore that the bible testifies we are all sinners from birth, all flesh is sin. Jesus overcomes this, because God is awesome.
Jesus was different because He was conceived by the Holy Spirit. (Matthew 1:20)
Romans 5:12 is about the fall but the passing of sin parent to child
that’s a lot of adding to scripture. Adam was the one who wasn’t deceived by the serpent so THAT is less of a leap to claim as the reason he pinned on Adam over patrilineal descent of sin
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