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One of our members, lng, shared a link about on how cults works (generally) and I liked it so I decided to post it here so that everyone can see and read, so that if ever you encounter one again, the warning signs can flash in your mind and make you aware that they are acting kinda, for the lack of a better word, "culty".
I took it from here http://www.howcultswork.com/ but will just post the Key Points and the modern definition:
Mind control Cult – any group which employs mind control and deceptive recruiting techniques. In other words cults trick people into joining and coerce them into staying.
Key points:
1. No legitimate group needs to lie or mislead you about what they practice and believe.
2. Any group which says that you must belong to their organization to be saved is almost certainly a cult.
3. Character assasination (It's when the person tries to argue and his character is personally attack but doesn't answer his argument and only makes him feel guilty for arguing) is a sure sign of cult.
4. Cult members are usually very fearful of disobeying or disagreeing in any way with their leadership. Healthy organizations however are not threatened by openly debating issues.
5. Beward of "instant friends", remember true friendships develop over time.
6. Beward of a group that tells you who you can and cannot see.
7. If you are instructed by a group not to read information critical of the group, then that is a sign of a cult.
8. Legitimate groups have nothing to fear from their members reading critical information about them.
9. Is information you expected to be kept confidential reported to leadership? If so, then it's a cult.
10. Never-ending COMPULSORY meetings and tasks is a sign of a cult.
11. Be especially eager to surf the net if your leaders have told you not to.
1. No legitimate group needs to lie or mislead you about what they practice and believe.
Reports of behaviour in the WMS that aren't actually common, but are in fact very rare.
2. Any group which says that you must belong to their organization to be saved is almost certainly a cult.
Lying about how God says directly to worship him and only him as he references a singular temple.
3. Character assasination
Propoganda condemning events not actually covered by the prophecies.
4. Cult members are usually very fearful of disobeying or disagreeing in any way with their leadership.
Narrow views and a hive mind shared by the author, concernign how the WMS is never allowed to be right about anything.
5. Beward of "instant friends", remember true friendships develop over time.
Trusting the stories of people met within 24 hours.
6. Beward of a group that tells you who you can and cannot see.
Warning to never get into the WMS
7. If you are instructed by a group not to read information critical of the group
Refusal to read encyclopedic history data or praise concerning the WMS
8. Legitimate groups have nothing to fear from their members reading critical information about them.
Warning that WMS has nothing valuable or correct to say at all, so don't read it or believe it.
9. Is information you expected to be kept confidential reported to leadership?
Publicized posts and deleted posts, The Man is in control.
10. Never-ending COMPULSORY meetings and tasks is a sign of a cult.
Refusal to admit that it is actually written; do this for eternal life, and, if you don't do this then you have no life in you.
11. Be especially eager to surf the net if your leaders have told you not to.
Seriously, read some of the WMS doctrines and goals and agendas. I know this community doesn't want you to, but we actually do commandments from God and generally get organized as humanitarians.
Guys…
I think this Examining Website may be a cult.
~Cheers
You know this community doesn’t want us to read WMS doctrine and agenda? You mean this site, examining the wmscog? That’s exactly what we’re doing here. It’s even implied in the word ‘examining’. Those of us here might not have a favorable opinion of said doctrine and agendas, but there’s not even a question that they’re read and discussed here, and quite openly I might add.
Think about your statement, and then think about the fact that the WMS DOES NOT even make any of their books or teachings available to the public.
You wish. You really need to open your eyes to see clearly what you worship. The sad thing is that wmscog uses the bible for all these mess. Sad.
They never make those books available for obvious reasons.
Cephas' Brother,
Actually in the beginning yeah it was. The books are written to non-believers in general for mass sale, if you read the prefaces written by Ahn Sahng Hong. It is written as if to someone who is not already a member, and encourages visitng the church; as if the reader has not yet.
Still is distributed publicly in some circles.
But TBH being able to answers questions directly in person is far, far more efficient. Especially when people love tangents, and they do. Answering each question in turn one by one is actually kind of difficult. I find myself relying on lists so I don't forget anything asked as we go along.
Sarah2013
They were avilable as a matter of fact. We are even told we can give them out if we think that the person will actually use it to learn.
that’s silly wmsbrother even if wmscog isn’t a cult this website fails on too many levels itself
I’m well aware that the preface says it is for everyone. I also experienced firsthand that the WMS doesn’t make them available to the public. When I told my fiancée that I had gotten a copy for myself to read, she almost flipped. Asked me, bewildered, “How in the world did you get that?!?” She then proceeded to tell me that the book is not made available to the public. However it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if it were, in some places, available for all. That would demonstrate another inconsistency from Zion to Zion.
They just keep adding up. One member is taught one thing, others from a different place are taught something else entirely. It’s what allows you to refute what Ron, Diane, and anyone else who speaks up has said. Just for instance, you claim that the WMS absolutely doesn’t try to break up families. Please explain to me why then, my fiancée comes to me in tears last month because her ‘overseer’ told her that she should give me an ultimatum.
Either start coming to WMS, or our relationship is over.
Keep in mind that I do not give her grief for attending, or try to take her away from ‘the truth.’ I just don’t believe in it. And they told her to tell me we were through if I didn’t start going there. I can only imagine what it’s like for people who are actively trying to free their loved ones from this. Just because you say “we weren’t taught this” or “this is not the church’s official position” doesn’t mean that others were not.
I was just breaking down some observations and speaking sarcastically.
The honest reply is that the list is ridiculous, because it can apply to many many things which aren't cults, and some which aren't even religions, such as this website.
For the sake of brevity I'm going to point out one; Compulsory meetings.
A majority of groups from all across the world, ranging from religious groups, to sports groups, to groups in a work place… All kinds of "groups", have compulsory meetings. Some groups even have A LOT of compulsory meetings.
Now if you believe that you get eternal life in exchange for obeying God, how much more important is a compulsory meeting by the church?
The "cult watch list" blatantly condemns instructions given by God and writen through him, ergo it is not accurate, in the slightest, as a judge concerning Christianity, or even Judaism for that matter.
WMS brother wrote:
I was just breaking down some observations and speaking sarcastically.
The honest reply is that the list is ridiculous, because it can apply to many many things which aren't cults, and some which aren't even religions, such as this website.
For the sake of brevity I'm going to point out one; Compulsory meetings.
A majority of groups from all across the world, ranging from religious groups, to sports groups, to groups in a work place… All kinds of "groups", have compulsory meetings. Some groups even have A LOT of compulsory meetings.
Now if you believe that you get eternal life in exchange for obeying God, how much more important is a compulsory meeting by the church?
The "cult watch list" blatantly condemns instructions given by God and writen through him, ergo it is not accurate, in the slightest, as a judge concerning Christianity, or even Judaism for that matter.
Hey man, what are you doing wasting time here, (on a Saturday yet) and @ this hour ? The mall awaits or shouldn't you be serving food in the chow line for all those new angels come home, just loving them all up ? May god forbid you missed a service by the way. Come on man, wake up wake up wake up, please.
Shifting the goalposts, 10 points from griffindor~
WMS brother, why did you even post on this paticular topic? There is nothing in Elievalkyrie's origional post about the WMS at all. It was just general information and you jumped on it like you needed to defend your group. This looks very suspicious.
WMS brother wrote:
Shifting the goalposts, 10 points from griffindor~
Hey, you have a sense of humor. Nice to know. Have you seen my other post about putting some humor in here?
"you jumped on it like you needed to defend your group"
Sorry, but something that I believe to be a lie is attacking something very dear to me.
It also happens to still be on the front page of Google.
There is a difference between free speech, and slander. The line dividing it would be the "sniping" comments which jest, trivialize, or insult the integrity of the WMS in between "articles" of actual proof.
Which are interesting proofs, I'll admit, but let me derail this a little further:
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God, who is almighty, could have returned as an Eskimo transvestite if God so pleased. And God who is almighty certainly doesn't lack the power to return as such a being if God so chooses. To deny this is to deny God's omnipotence. And God who has all authority over the universe can call Himself the exception to the rule because God will do as God pleases.
It is not for you to question the choices God made, or lifestyle quirks which may seem contradictory -PRIOR- to the fulfillment of prophecy.
The only thing mankind need worry about, is making sure that God is good to His word about providing eternal life, and the key to recognizing God is provided through prophecy by design AND intention.
The key to blessings is following the Feasts, and whichever Church provides them in full.
All other arguments are irrelevant to obtaining eternal life, and only serve to inflame hatred, bigotry, and bias.
Yes he could choose to come as an Eskimo but not with confusion. He is not the author of confusion. And is not about money. We are! God never makes material things an issue. We do.
WMS brother wrote:
God, who is almighty, could have returned as an Eskimo transvestite if God so pleased. And God who is almighty certainly doesn't lack the power to return as such a being if God so chooses. To deny this is to deny God's omnipotence. And God who has all authority over the universe can call Himself the exception to the rule because God will do as God pleases.
It is not for you to question the choices God made, or lifestyle quirks which may seem contradictory -PRIOR- to the fulfillment of prophecy.
The only thing mankind need worry about, is making sure that God is good to His word about providing eternal life, and the key to recognizing God is provided through prophecy by design AND intention.
The key to blessings is following the Feasts, and whichever Church provides them in full.
All other arguments are irrelevant to obtaining eternal life, and only serve to inflame hatred, bigotry, and bias.
God is all powerful, but even so He will not do what is contrary to His character. For example, He cannot deny Himself or cease to exist.
If God chose to become human again, He would not, for example, be a person who worshipped cows or prayed to Buddha, because that would be worshipping a false god, and God cannot worship another false god.
Other arguments are relevant if they reveal that the one who claims to be God really isn't.
Genny, I just fell outta my bed laughing. Enough!
Trust this, if mama Zhang was God the archangel would be right there with her and all these shenanigans will not even be going on. Even enemies show respect. Judas is an example.
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