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Can anyone confirm that when the wms members study with you or as a former member, when you studied, they carried around a small history book to prove the prophecies in the bible and overall wms teachings?
I admit, I couldnt response to the golden age, bronze age, or iron age that is prophezed in the bible and then appeared in history later. Does anyone recognize this teaching about the King’s servant who dreamt about a statue dressed in gold and iron and told the King he would reign during these eras. I know I’m not clear but I wasnt really paying attention, I was angry at the time. Is it possible this story was rewritten into the bible after the golden age bronze and whatever age passed?
It's not a history book, It's an "evidence book". A tailored collection of news articles and snippets from text books ( out of context of course) to show the supposed fulfilment of prophecy. The lesson you speak is called "daniel's prophecy" it is stolen from the 7th day adventist church by ahn.
Hurt wrote:
Thank you! So wait, I'm confused, I understand the Bible has different versions and that they use the "truth books" based on ASH's writings, but does SDA have their own bible? I see them use regular bibles idk…
The SDA uses, for the most part the bible. Supplemented with books written a semi-literate lunatic named william miller and a charlatan named ellen g white.
Hurt wrote:
I'm sorry is Daniel's Prophesy part of the bible and where did they get the snipoets to prove this prophecy is right?
Daniel's dream of a statue is in the bible(da:2). Groups who accept this prophecy ( there a many; wms, sda, jw just to name a few) will find events in history which can be vaguely connected to the vague and general traits attributed to each section of the statue.
Here is what I mean to say: Daniel's prophecy is in the bible. It is just a dream daniel had while the israelites where captives in babylon. The first person to make a popular interpretation of this is william miller. Ellen g White started a church (SDA) based on his teachings. Roughly a century later, Ahn was baptised into this church, then later left to start his own church and included Daniel's prophecy.
Hurt wrote:
And the evidence the members have on the becoming true of this dream? Or rather, the interpretation of the statue in Daniel's dream, came from Miller and they use it to create that the Bible is fact? As in Miller claimed Daniel's dream came true when the Golden age came and afterwards and so forth? Wow honestly, it's scary how this CAN look convincing. THESE PEOPLE ARE RELIGIOUS SCHOLARS who came up with their own theories and claimed it as fact and people believe they are or were special and correct wtf
Yes, the only thing written in the bible was the description of the statue which Daniel saw. The Millerites and the SDA where the first to say "This=that" or to be more specific, the head of gold represents the kingdom of babylon and the chest of silver is media persia ect and so forth.
Hurt wrote:
I breifly tried googlimg it and I see othrr religions believe the same however. Who named the Golden age, the Golden age to begin with, the scholars of the time? Where did these terms come from, the Bronze, Iron ect. Could it be that religious scholars specifically named it after the King's dream, sorry, I kept say Daniel's dream when it was the King. I hate it because I can see how someone can be convinced by this. Especially since there are so many questions.
I am not sure where the term "golden age" came from. I would just assume that since the head of the statue was made of gold that would be the easiest thing to call the first period of time which that portion of the statue represented ( the period of babylonian rule). But this is just an assumption.
Just to add, the "history" that they use are usually very vague or quoted out of context. Here's a reading regarding daniel's prophecy and presenting the wmscog as false, if you are interested in seeing things from another angle:
http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.sg/2011/08/is-666-pope-part-3.html
If you are really up to it, you should dig up actual history and not just snippets of quotes that they present to you. The wmscog is well practiced in quoting things out of context and providing false evidences
When you enter the church, they want you to become a sheltered person. They want to “control you,” tell you what to think, make sure you spent all your time there, and give you their doctrine and interpretation of the bible, and also give you the “evidence book” according to WMS.
When WMS gives you evidence, and tells you ASH was baptized in this specific location where this zion is standing, they are merely “controlling” the truth. The “control” of Zion, the “control” of the Korean culture is the problem here, (in my opinion).
Much of the information in the evidence book is skewed. Much, lol. Here are some pointa, and I would love members to chime in, because others who may be seeking freedom from the WMS need to know.
Council of Nicea and Constantine- 1st point WMS and their evidence book, make it appear as though Constantines main objective was to destroy the Passover and Sabbath day. Ask any historian, they will tell you that the Council was an attempt to consolidate general Christian beleif. This was literally what Apostle Paul tried to do. What WMS will never say…is that you had many different practices from Christians. Constantine was a Pagan, and when he became a Christian he tried to make worship a free choice, While differentiating worship days from specific dieties. When he made a decree for Christians to worship on Sunday, it was to make clear differentiation from Sun-God worshippers and Christians. Period.
2nd Point- WMS taught that after thr Council, the “Dark Ages” happened. They teach that the, “Dark” reference was due to the Passover being abolished and their being NO salvation. This theory has a Billion holes. Any historian would laugh(probably why they discourage internet usage from members…forget Googling about WMS, do some research on the Dark Ages)
The Dark Ages were due to Religious, Socio-Economic issues. There were many many other factors. For instance European Countries began to function under greater rule of the Catholic Church. They were also rebuilding after Moorish rule, which subsequently started the Catholic war on heretics. The Evidence book would show pics of people being tortured during the Dark Ages, and say thst this was due ti them keeping the Passover. This is a tall tale. The Catholic movement on Heretics was against the Moors (Black Africans who ruled Europe, and had varying religions and spiritual beleifs) and Pagans (Kelts, etc). They weren’t going around killing Christians who kept the Passover. They also lie in the evidence book, by saying part of the reason for the Crusades to the Middle East, was to fight the True, Passover Keeping Christians in Jerusalem. ANother lie. And the lies can be clearly seen, from the Scientific facts they twist to try and prove their position (Earth being suspended in space, to “Every” creature having a mother) to misquotes and misleading history facts.
Daniel's prophecies have impressed legitimate Bible scholars. Part of what the wmscog says lines up with scholarly interpretations, but not all of it. Here's more information that I researched:
http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com/2011/11/daniels-prophecy.html
genny wrote:
Daniel's prophecies have impressed legitimate Bible scholars. Part of what the wmscog says lines up with scholarly interpretations, but not all of it. Here's more information that I researched:
http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com/2011/11/daniels-prophecy.html
I love this article sooooo much, it is such a kick in the balls to the WMS.
Great article.
@genny First time seeing that article. Have ya noticed that even though its a few years old…there are NO replies from WMS members. You can’t battle historical and archeological
with their typical excuses.
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