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I am curious how many former members on the forum still keep a Saturday Sabbath? Why is it important to you, and what do you think of those who do not?
Simon wrote:
God said the modeim were eternal he built the universe around them anything else is from Satan end of story
I don't know what modeim is. Any idea when exactly the universe keeps the sabbath? For instance, if a Jew were an astronaut on his way to the moon, when would his sabbath be?
modeim is the appointments of God as I have already said hundreds of times on this forum
Simon wrote:
modeim is the appointments of God as I have already said hundreds of times on this forum
Hey Simon, what's Modeim?
the times of sacrifice still apply
emil wrote:
Simon wrote:
God said the modeim were eternal he built the universe around them anything else is from Satan end of story
I don't know what modeim is. Any idea when exactly the universe keeps the sabbath? For instance, if a Jew were an astronaut on his way to the moon, when would his sabbath be?
Repeating my question
Still ignoring your baiting
OK I thought you missed my question. I want to establish whether the time and day relevance is to a small geographical area of Palestine. Measures of time, date, calendars, etc. are man made and are based on astronomical events which God created.
I know we had this discussion in another thread before too. Just saying God gave us the time and dates is not good enough because the way time is kept globally is relative and not absolute.
I said TIMES
emil wrote:
Measures of time, date, calendars, etc. are man made and are based on astronomical events which God created.
God established the times dates and calendar.
Just because man has invented other calendars does not mean God did not set one himself that he desires us to follow
Either you believe that the example of the Apostles should be followed, or you do not.
Everything Paul did was based on the instructions given to him by Jesus.
So when Paul goes and keeps the sabbath, indeed every sabbath, you can be certain that he is doing it because Christ told him to, not because it is an opinion on his own.
He then said to follow his example, as he follows the example of Christ. This was the message given to the Early Church.
And thats why Christian sabbath keepers exist.
It isn't that complicated.
You should follow his example, as he follows the example of Christ.
Unless you want to say that we should not follow Apostle Paul's example.
Unless you want to say that he did not pass on his customs and Christ's customs as he was commanded to.
Is Apostle Paul's brand of Christianity for him an no one else?
Did he not have followers that emulated him in his example of Jesus, an example which includes Sabbath day?
To say that Sabbath day does not need to be followed, or worse replacing it and idolizing a different day such as Sunday, is to deny the example of Apostle Paul himself who kept it as a Christian.
Yes, there is significance to breaking Bread on Sunday. But is it written "indeed every Sunday, Apostle Paul broke bread"?
No, it is not. Yet it is written that he kept every Sabbath. Theese two fundamental and undeniable truths prove two things:
1.) The Sabbath was the custom of Paul, and thus all of the original Christians. That is where they come from. It is no profound mystery, in fact it is very simple.
2.) There is a significant day in Christianity, which coincidentally only appears once per year, where an example of breaking bread is given.
Not painting eggs, not drinking wine and calling it communion, just breaking bread.
Why?
The first keepers of Ressurection Day were given bread by Jesus and by eating it on that specific day they recieved the blessing of being able to recognize Jesus (figuratively and literally).
It is no coincidence at all, that one year later we see the same example repeat itself, which is indeed on The First Day of the Week.
You guys deny Jesus by NOT praying in his name. Who cares if you do everything you are technically supposed to do: Sabbath, Passover, etc
Deut 4:2 says not to add to the Bible…Ahns name is NOT in the Bible therefore you have added to the Bible. Exodus 20:3 you should have no other Gods before me….yet you guys worship a mother and a father God…..Ahn was alive at the same time as mother so that makes 2 Gods walking the Earth at the same time not 1…..there are a gajillion verses saying there is only 1 God.
ILJC2013
And thats what we call shifting the goalposts.
Until you understand the most fundamental customs kept by the Early Church, how can you understand the deeper mysteries of God?
How can you say you understand the parable of weeds and wheat, if you do not know which group the Wheat represents?
How can you say you know the beast, until you determine when in history God made good on his promise to allow the beast to gain power?
How can you say that the Devil has led the whole world astray, if you do not understand where we have gone astray?
I have no interest in your side-topic, and I detest shifting the goalposts. It is absolutely counter-intuitive to learning. Perhaps after you have reconciled yourself with keeping passover, sabbath, and Ressurection Day correctly, we may then adress other verses. For all other verses hinge upon Passover, which is the way to learn love. So too the sabbath, which is the sign of God's people.
Ugh! You guys change the subject 99% of the time or shifting goalposts or whatever. I have no interest in any of your side topics either which is every post from you guys. I clearly see how the world has gone astray. Your religion is a sign of the times that the world will be ending soon. Ron Hubbard said You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion. Im sure you know who he is…the Cog is very similar to Scientology. Thats what he did and many others at that….I know exactly how you work and I detest your mind games and how you destroy families.
WMS brother wrote:
Either you believe that the example of the Apostles should be followed, or you do not.
Everything Paul did was based on the instructions given to him by Jesus.
So when Paul goes and keeps the sabbath, indeed every sabbath, you can be certain that he is doing it because Christ told him to, not because it is an opinion on his own.
He then said to follow his example, as he follows the example of Christ. This was the message given to the Early Church.
And thats why Christian sabbath keepers exist.
It isn't that complicated.
You should follow his example, as he follows the example of Christ.
Unless you want to say that we should not follow Apostle Paul's example.
Unless you want to say that he did not pass on his customs and Christ's customs as he was commanded to.
Is Apostle Paul's brand of Christianity for him an no one else?
Did he not have followers that emulated him in his example of Jesus, an example which includes Sabbath day?
To say that Sabbath day does not need to be followed, or worse replacing it and idolizing a different day such as Sunday, is to deny the example of Apostle Paul himself who kept it as a Christian.
Yes, there is significance to breaking Bread on Sunday. But is it written "indeed every Sunday, Apostle Paul broke bread"?
No, it is not. Yet it is written that he kept every Sabbath. Theese two fundamental and undeniable truths prove two things:
1.) The Sabbath was the custom of Paul, and thus all of the original Christians. That is where they come from. It is no profound mystery, in fact it is very simple.
2.) There is a significant day in Christianity, which coincidentally only appears once per year, where an example of breaking bread is given.
Not painting eggs, not drinking wine and calling it communion, just breaking bread.
Why?
The first keepers of Ressurection Day were given bread by Jesus and by eating it on that specific day they recieved the blessing of being able to recognize Jesus (figuratively and literally).
It is no coincidence at all, that one year later we see the same example repeat itself, which is indeed on The First Day of the Week.
Well WMS brother, I have seen you lurking around here for a while again. You left twice before because we wouldn't follow the logic you presented and you were unwilling to recognize the flaws in your WMS teachings. Here you are trying the same thing once again. Lets try this logic: If I were to want to address your congregation and show you how the scriptures point to Jesus being the messiah, when would I do that? I would go on a Saturday to one of your meeting places. My intention is to be in the mission field reaching souls for Jesus Christ. Don't believe for one second that I would be there because of a Saturday Sabbath! This thinking would be heavily flawed just as the idea that Paul was keeping Saturday as his new testament Sabbath. Jesus set an example for him and all of the believers after the ressurection. Jesus met with and broke bread with His followers on Sunday. I know you are trying to convince everyone here that they should follow your version of Paul but I choose to follow Jesus Christ. Even your example of Paul always keeping a Saturday Sabbath is wrong. Please do your own homework on this and stop regurgitating the WMS/SDA teachings about this. God gave you a mind and He expects you to use it not let Satan play games with it. I'm sorry you poped back in here with something like this. I was hoping that you were doing some of your own research while you were gone and maybe you were beginning to see the truth and the light. There is hope. Jesus stands at the door of your heart and knocks. All you have to do is let Him in. He is the Lord of the Sabbath and when He dwells in you, you dwell in Him and only then will you truely has the Sabbath. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
Simon wrote:
the times of sacrifice still apply
How can the times of sacrifice apply when the sacrifice itself is obsolete?
because the times are eternal the sacrifices themselves are not
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