[Anonymous]

I am curious how many former members on the forum still keep a Saturday Sabbath? Why is it important to you, and what do you think of those who do not? 

[Simon]

[Simon]

I still believe in it as I did prewmscog (along with all moedim)

Those that don’t are in error imo but covered if they have faith in jesus just the same

[Anonymous]

I'm asking out of genuine curiosity, not looking to debate here. I'm sure there will be other threads for that. 

What do you believe distinguishes the Saturday Sabbath from other Old Testament practices? Why do you believe its still in effect? Or to put in another way, why hasn't it been superceeded by the day of the Ressurection, like circumcision gave way to Baptism, the passover to the Lord's Supper, etc?

[Disturbed]

According to my understanding and biblical testimony we already celebrate Resurrection Day-one Sunday a year. I don’t understand the justification of changing Sabbath day to Sunday because of Resurrection.

I’m not debating, this is just my understanding.

[Anonymous]

Disturbed wrote:

According to my understanding and biblical testimony we already celebrate Resurrection Day-one Sunday a year. I don't understand the justification of changing Sabbath day to Sunday because of Resurrection.

I'm not debating, this is just my understanding.

Is there a verse that indicates it was a once a year celebration? 

[Disturbed]

Is there a verse that indicates it is celebrated more than once a year?

[Anonymous]

I think so, if you consider the breaking of the Bread to commemorate both His death and Ressurection. 

[Disturbed]

Breaking bread doesn’t justify changing the Sabbath to Sunday. We also only commemorate his death once a year. I guess if I buy myself a cake everyday I can also say its my birthday cake. Not really. It’s only categorized as birthday on my actual birthday…any other day it’s just cake.

Anyway….I already agreed that I wasn’t debating the matter. This is my opinion and feeling about it. It’s your free will to keep Sunday if you so choose. God made us all creatures with free will. While I disagree with the doctrine of the wmscog, now that I know the full truth of it, I still consider the Saturday Sabbath one truth that is real.

[Simon]

I don't believe circumcission has been superceded completely Baptism should still be at 8 days.

Likewise Passover time wasn't replace by lords supper Passover actions were

The appointed times of the OT have not been superceded merely how we keep them

[Simon]

Also, breaking bread doesn't necessarily mean anything more than eating, gathering as a group to eat has long been called breaking bread

[Anonymous]

Simon wrote:

I don't believe circumcission has been superceded completely Baptism should still be at 8 days.

Likewise Passover time wasn't replace by lords supper Passover actions were

The appointed times of the OT have not been superceded merely how we keep them

That's an interesting idea, but is there evidence that the early Christians kept the feasts that way? There are certainly no explicit explanations of that in the New Testament, so I'm wondering where this idea comes from. Is it an assumption, conjecture, or is there evidence I'm not aware of? (be it in scripture or elsewhere)

[Anonymous]

Simon wrote:

Also, breaking bread doesn't necessarily mean anything more than eating, gathering as a group to eat has long been called breaking bread

There is a strong indication from scripture and extra-biblical sources that "breaking the bread" meant the Lord's Supper as I indicated in a previous post: https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forum/topic.php?id=5008

[emil]

Disturbed wrote:

According to my understanding and biblical testimony we already celebrate Resurrection Day-one Sunday a year. I don't understand the justification of changing Sabbath day to Sunday because of Resurrection.

I'm not debating, this is just my understanding.

This can turn into a very long explanation so I will not go into it. The short and simple explanation is that this change occured during the time of the apostles themselves. It is not something that was changed centuries later as the wmscog leads people to believe. Sunday was adopted because it was the day of the week on which the Lord rose. This is recorded in the Didache and the writings of the Early Church Fathers starting from the first century itself.

Note also that there was a lot of animosity between the Catholic Church and the Reformers at the start of the reformation. If it was a fact that the church changed Saturday to Sunday much later than during apostolic times, do you think the reformers would have accepted it?

So you might have to look at your question a little differently and ask "were the apostles justified in making that change?"

[Simon]

IrenaeusFTW wrote:

Simon wrote:

I don't believe circumcission has been superceded completely Baptism should still be at 8 days.

Likewise Passover time wasn't replace by lords supper Passover actions were

The appointed times of the OT have not been superceded merely how we keep them

That's an interesting idea, but is there evidence that the early Christians kept the feasts that way? There are certainly no explicit explanations of that in the New Testament, so I'm wondering where this idea comes from. Is it an assumption, conjecture, or is there evidence I'm not aware of? (be it in scripture or elsewhere)

Here is the thing is if Jesus changed the appointed times Christ is a false messiah end of story

[Anonymous]

Simon wrote:

IrenaeusFTW wrote:

Simon wrote:

I don't believe circumcission has been superceded completely Baptism should still be at 8 days.

Likewise Passover time wasn't replace by lords supper Passover actions were

The appointed times of the OT have not been superceded merely how we keep them

That's an interesting idea, but is there evidence that the early Christians kept the feasts that way? There are certainly no explicit explanations of that in the New Testament, so I'm wondering where this idea comes from. Is it an assumption, conjecture, or is there evidence I'm not aware of? (be it in scripture or elsewhere)

Here is the thing is if Jesus changed the appointed times Christ is a false messiah end of story

Why?

[Simon]

because the Bible says so

[Simon]

Daniel 7:25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.

The appointed times are built into the structure of the universe even how can they change?

Genesis 1:14And God said, "Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years,

[emil]

Simon wrote:

Here is the thing is if Jesus changed the appointed times Christ is a false messiah end of story

 

Simon wrote:

Daniel 7:25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.

That is not logically good enough Simon. There are a total of 4 conditions there with a AND relationship. All 4 conditions must be met to satisfy your assertion about the false messiah. 

[Simon]

you can be brain washed as wmscog members if you wish

[Simon]

God said the modeim were eternal he built the universe around them anything else is from Satan end of story

[Simon]

The fact Jesus pushed the importance of obedience to Torah over the pharisees, the fact God continued to push the appointed times in the New Testament text the fact God said the moedim were eternal the fact God built the universe around the moedim, the fact the Bible says the evil one will change it

All speaks against your reasoning.