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On the surface this video presents some compelling arguments, each discussed one at a time:
That what happened in the past will happen again – Ecclesiastes 1:9
While this may be appealing if I were a member interested in the mysteries of the prophecies, there could be two sides to this.
One: the creator of the video presents that people will deny Christ. The author presents this argument well. However,
The second side of the story is the influence that the Pharisees had, and the author even states (at 1:55):
“The unbelief of most was influenced by the religious leaders at that time. They were known as the Pharisees or Teachers of the Law.” Reference: YouTube user The True WMSCOG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxHyZTELyFk
This begs the question, how did the Pharisees influence the general membership?
Two: it is interesting that the video creator quotes John 12:37-43 (at 2:15) “…but because of the Pharisees they would not confess their faith for fear they would be put out of the synagogue;”
Certainly then, ostracism was a tool used by the Pharisees to maintain social control. At the very least, evidence points in that direction, no?
At this stage of the video a transition takes place. The foundation has been set that Pharisees are:
Influencial
Either unaware of their own flawed thinking, or
are totally bought-in to their own ideology
Word-twisters
At 3:50 it is discussed how Jesus was taken to the “Chief priests and the whole Sanhedrin where they were looking for evidence against Jesus so that they could put him to death”.
A revisit to Ecclesiastes 1:9, “what happened in the past will happen again”….that when a group of people assemble – all of the same general opinion to start with – will come to a foregone conclusion to get what they want, which in this case was to silence Jesus. And permanently – he was a threat to the system in place that the Pharisees were in charge of. Right on, YouTube user The True WMSCOG!
At 4:34 it is discussed how taking words out of context changed and influenced the audience at hand to such a degree that they put a pure and innocent man to death. Right on, again! That is some kind of influence.
“now if you had lived in the time of Jesus and believed the testimony of the Pharisees, then you would have called Jesus a blasphemer and would have accused him of being demon-possessed” (at 5:08). This is a powerful concept brought to us by YouTube user The True WMSCOG. That if leaders have these powers:
Kicking out followers, as documented in the video – by their fear they did not speak due to threat of ostracization
Bringing people together where all opinions are the same
Taking words and phrases out of context – only allowing one side to testify
Then we, also, would have followed the group.
It is presented that the Bible was not written by those that didn’t believe in Him, “there is no book in the Bible written by the viewpoint of the Pharisees”, “if there was a book in the Bible written by the Pharisees, then most people today would reject Jesus as the Savior”. (5:30-35 mark).
“THE REASON WE NEED TO KNOW THIS HISTORY IS BECAUSE THE SAME IS HAPPENING NOW””. (5:40 mark)
This begs the question, how do we know if we are acting like the Pharisees? How do we examine the world around us when our leaders run for president and people that oppose them are “horrible persons”? (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp6qttQL-dA) . How do other “Pharisees” work? YouTube user The True WMSCOG talks about patterns:
At 6:15 it is presented that those speaking against “completely make up lies”. When those that speak out against an organization are all completely discredited, see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iDVIs6OAQQ. The pattern here is anyone from inside of that (other) organization would….be going back to their “Pharisees” for all of the answers….back to that circle of influence where all opinions are generally the same and that anyone that speaks or thinks differently gets kicked out either immediately or soon. Or, shuts up and falls back in line.
When we believe that we have found utopia, all criticism is then – by default – negative. But the Pharisees became influencial by word twisting. This can include the flawed logic of error by omission – the omission of another side of the story. After all, Pharisees being like lawyers only present their side of the case.
So yes, YouTube user The True WMSCOG, you do present a fairly good case of how people speaking against your group act like the Pharisees….but it is presented inside of the logic that favors you. Unfortunately, if ostracism is a factor present in your social group then we have to strike up a similarity with Pharisees on that one. Of course, I’m sure if your group did have the influence that the Pharisees had over their followers – we were reminded how the past will repeat – then followers would likely view it not as ostracism. And one sided presentations were an issue associated with Pharisees…I for one was told to cool it off and tone it down if my friendship was to remain. So we don’t talk about behaviors in common with Pharisees anymore. It never was about belief with my friend but he seemed to always go there.
At 6:26, “Now learning a lesson from the past, if you really want to learn and understand about the World Mission Society Church of God, Christ Ahnsahnghong and Heavenly Mother, Don’t ask the modern day Pharisees”
It makes sense on the surface but as for social controls, this last one closes the loop, and convincingly. The message becomes clear, “come to us for the answers”. Just consider: those of us with differing opinions are not asking nor requiring to take on our way of thinking. It is only being asked to consider the other side of the story. But then, how do you know that we are not little devils trying to deceive you – that we are justified to lie and deceive to promote our “side”, so we ask,
Do you have the right to tell little white lies? To perform acts of deception that are justified under the right circumstances?
How would that materially different?
With the answer to that question comes the answer to the question about us being little devils. (spoiler alert: it involves methods of social controls that keep people inside of a social circle……spoiler alert: Pharisee alert)
Great response, as far as logical thinking goes. The WMS does everything, it claims this site, (or Slanderers) does. Many people who have left WMS are atheist. Its never about “Leave WMS and come to this church over here”.
When they blatantly lie, how can you claim others are liars?
I've always been curious, if history is repeating itself then when are they going to turn on their god, put her to death, and her resurrect herself three days later? The WMSCOG claimed that Ahn was going to come back to life. It was viewed as three days represented three years so three years after his death he was supposed to come back to life. After this did not happen the doctrine of the WMSCOG was rewritten just like the doctrine of the SDA group after the great disappointment. Maybe this is the history they are reliving.
When I was still a devoted member before, this wasn’t a vid yet but an an article. So I was being rebellious before for eating from the tree of knowledge by searching on the net and I tepented after that so again I only accessed the allowed sites and saw the article. And to be honest, until now im still doubting if I should leave zion or not. Just wanna throw my brain away so that I won’t have to think about these matters.
It's funny how they think of us at the pharisees!! LOL
Let's get the facts straight!
* The pharisees where the ones who suppostedly followed the law of the old testament to the core!
Who does that today??? The WMSCOG…
* The pharisees where the ones who deny or did not believe in Jesus.
Even thought they say they acknowledge Jesus they really do NOT accept the name of Jesus, they accept the name of another man, who is not Jesus and who do not believe in the salvation by grace of God, but rather by works. and who does that?? The WMSCOG
* The pharisees where the ones who questioned Jesus when his diciples did what it was unlawful on Sabbath.
Mark 2:23 Jesus Is Lord of the Sabbath
23One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain. 24The Pharisees said to him, “Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?”
25He answered, “Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? 26In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions.”
27Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”
"THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, NOT THE MAN FOR THE SABBATH,
It cannot be any more clear than this, Jesus says this to the Pharisees who try to make men slaves of the sabbath, when really the sabbath was given to men as a blessing, a day for rest, to spent with FAMILY, to worship God, to received the grace of God and not be a slave of works or following rules of the old testament.
Matthew 12:9
9Going on from that place, he went into their synagogue, 10and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Looking for a reason to bring charges against Jesus, they asked him, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?”
11He said to them, “If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out?12How much more valuable is a person than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”
In this passage of the bible, Jesus speaks directly to the pharisees about doing what not lawful on the sabbath, when he healed the man with the withered hand this was considered WORK, because according to WMSCOG, we cannot do any work on the SABBATH and spent all day @ zion, but Jesus tell them if it's good then it's allowed.
WHICH BRINGS ME TO MY NEXT POINT
If a person goes to a hospital for whatever reason, a Doctor cannot heal or perform anything on the patient because it's SABBATH?
if there is a fire in a house, the fireman cannot go and extinguish this fire because it's SABBATH?
WHICH BRINGS ME TO MY LAST POINT
When I speak to my love one and i tell her I believe in Jesus and what he represents, because i'm saved by grace and not by works and then she tells me i don't know God, because i'm not accepting their truth?
like the guy in the video says HISTORY REPEATING ITSELF,
IN BOOK OF GALATIANS:
Paul the appostle spoke about those gentiles that recently adquire the grace of God in their freedom, but there was a group of teachers of the law that will comfused them and tell them that it was ok to believe in God but it wasn't good enough unless they follow the law…
Just like WMSCOG, which want to enslaved us into the LAW and into following Feasts and sabbaths keeping days that we are no longer have to be bound into
So my final question is : WHO REALLY ARE THE PHARISEES??
Jesus_will_set_u_free wrote:
It's funny how they think of us at the pharisees!! LOL
Let's get the facts straight!
* The pharisees where the ones who suppostedly followed the law of the old testament to the core!
Who does that today??? The WMSCOG…
* The pharisees where the ones who deny or did not believe in Jesus.
Even thought they say they acknowledge Jesus they really do NOT accept the name of Jesus, they accept the name of another man, who is not Jesus and who do not believe in the salvation by grace of God, but rather by works. and who does that?? The WMSCOG
* The pharisees where the ones who questioned Jesus when his diciples did what it was unlawful on Sabbath.
Mark 2:23 Jesus Is Lord of the Sabbath
23One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain. 24The Pharisees said to him, “Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?”
25He answered, “Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? 26In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions.”
27Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”
"THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, NOT THE MAN FOR THE SABBATH,
It cannot be any more clear than this, Jesus says this to the Pharisees who try to make men slaves of the sabbath, when really the sabbath was given to men as a blessing, a day for rest, to spent with FAMILY, to worship God, to received the grace of God and not be a slave of works or following rules of the old testament.
Matthew 12:9
9Going on from that place, he went into their synagogue, 10and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Looking for a reason to bring charges against Jesus, they asked him, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?”
11He said to them, “If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out?12How much more valuable is a person than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”
In this passage of the bible, Jesus speaks directly to the pharisees about doing what not lawful on the sabbath, when he healed the man with the withered hand this was considered WORK, because according to WMSCOG, we cannot do any work on the SABBATH and spent all day @ zion, but Jesus tell them if it's good then it's allowed.
WHICH BRINGS ME TO MY NEXT POINT
If a person goes to a hospital for whatever reason, a Doctor cannot heal or perform anything on the patient because it's SABBATH?
if there is a fire in a house, the fireman cannot go and extinguish this fire because it's SABBATH?
WHICH BRINGS ME TO MY LAST POINT
When I speak to my love one and i tell her I believe in Jesus and what he represents, because i'm saved by grace and not by works and then she tells me i don't know God, because i'm not accepting their truth?
like the guy in the video says HISTORY REPEATING ITSELF,
IN BOOK OF GALATIANS:
Paul the appostle spoke about those gentiles that recently adquire the grace of God in their freedom, but there was a group of teachers of the law that will comfused them and tell them that it was ok to believe in God but it wasn't good enough unless they follow the law…
Just like WMSCOG, which want to enslaved us into the LAW and into following Feasts and sabbaths keeping days that we are no longer have to be bound into
So my final question is : WHO REALLY ARE THE PHARISEES??
This is a great post! Thank you for this, Jesus-will-set-you-free! I also loved Brian Taylor's counter video. I hope people have checked that out.
The wmscog must understand and realize that they themselves are Pharasees who are against Jesus in their subject in bible study Saviour of each age they clearly claim that the age of father jeovah is over then the age of the son Jesus also is over,they thought us not to pray in these names because the age is over.eg :we cant write a letter to George bush when Obbama is the president,incase we do so ,Obbama will throw your letter in the dust bin.Why? because it is not addresed to him even though he is the president.In the same way now we are in the age of the Holy sprit Ahn if we dont pray to him ,and we keep praying to Jesus our prayers want be heard.Today though i have left this church i see these hipocrites on the quite taking Jesus as an example when they go preaching and also say the cheif pastor got a vision from Jesus when they registered them selves in theUS.Here in India in the Rahul rawail case they went to the RC church for help (janet balachandran) also they themselves have thought me who are pharasiees when i was a member.Today being a member of the examming i need to proudly point the arrow back to them that they are not only like the Pharasiees who kept the laws of God but also hipocrites who slandder the name of our saviour Jesus christ.
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