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Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGWK0hZVY0w
The site of Elohim Academy: https://orgsync.com/74982/chapter
Wow, this is very helpful. Thank you so much, for showing us this video! The one on one thing is really stressed, although they usually have more than one of their recruiters there at a "one on one."
I wonder how many times that man had been harassing this group before finally being told to go away, only to come back and pretend on film?
Come for a bible study with the Church of God, and learn the whole story which theese people refuse to admit up front.
ExMember
"I don't know for how long 144000… do you know? Or are you just assuming that?"
I heard, yeah. The precise details can be had by visiting those WMS preachers in sincerity instead of with all these ulterior motives, and actually studying.
"Can anybody go to the Church of God?"
Anybody who wants to study the bible, and doesn't have obvious ulterior motives, Yes. You will notice that the camera DID NOT record or explain earlier conversations, he only waited until they were pestered by his behaviour to try and record them being "mean". You can hear in their conversation that this guy already had a history with them if you pay attention to what he says.
"Even without an invitation?"
As long as we aren't in the middle of dealing with protests, threats, or vandalism, yes our general policy is pretty open-doors.
"Can somebody just walk in?"
Yes.
The only people who get rejected have secondary issues, or ulterior motives. If you search the archives, you will see several attempts to "infiltrate" the wmscog with deliberately subsersive intentions, along with a couple accounts of people who admit they did it deliberately just to troll us.
The only time I have ever heard of anyone trying to "infiltrate" a church is when that "church" had ulterior motives in recruiting, or there seemed to be secrecy, which is always a bad sign if you have a loved one involved in something like this. If people are trying to find out what is going on, then there is something going on that is not normal, and secrecy is always a red flag. There are things going on there that are not normal.
MountainMom~
Sure, its not like you ever read or commented in any of the threads about vandalizing, protesting, and the troll who said he literally just wanted to get in and troll us to get some misguided "revenge". Thank goodness the admin said he didn't condone those topics, I was starting to think you guys actually hated us.
… Or the hacking, or the attempt to link and share public information along with threats reccomending certain people be beat up.
You forgot all of that? I'm certain even if you somehow miraculously missed those topics, that I've brought it up in discussion with you before.
I'm really glad you guys told us that we aren't being persecuted. I was starting to get paranoid.
Wow, you are really unhappy. And paranoid. I feel bad for you. But I feel bad for anyone in the wmscog. I don't hate the people in there. I know many are simply under the manipulation of the leaders. They are victims too. Like you, maybe. I don't condone vandalism, or revenge, or anything at all that is not legal or appropriate in response to the wmscog, and you won't find that anywhere in my posts. In fact, I've made several posts to the contrary. But I do condone requests for transparency in the church activities, and exposure of its doctrine. I call the church out on honesty and transparency issues, and I won't apologize for that. It is my opinion based on what I have seen and heard. In this country we have free speech. I'm sorry if you don't agree.
144000 wrote:
MountainMom~
Sure, its not like you ever read or commented in any of the threads about vandalizing, protesting, and the troll who said he literally just wanted to get in and troll us to get some misguided "revenge". Thank goodness the admin said he didn't condone those topics, I was starting to think you guys actually hated us.
… Or the hacking, or the attempt to link and share public information along with threats reccomending certain people be beat up.
You forgot all of that? I'm certain even if you somehow miraculously missed those topics, that I've brought it up in discussion with you before.
I'm really glad you guys told us that we aren't being persecuted. I was starting to get paranoid.
Let us get this straight. You have known of incidents where critics of your church were physically attacked haven't you? Would that (actually doing physical harm) be milder than mere threats to do harm?
And hacking!!! oh yes hacking! You surely are aware of the attacks against this website?
Then there is the sharing of information. Surely you are aware of how the wmscog shares misinformation about the Catholic and Protestant churches? And then you guys can't defend this misinformation as seen in the Daniel thread and other places.
All you readers, notice the goalpost shifting. Notice how, when our reasonable behaviour is explained over the simple topic of welcoming newcomers, they attempt to:
Shift blame and attention away from our concern:
"You surely are aware of the attacks against this website?"
Shift blame as if threatening our individual members is acceptable because we testify about news, history, and bible prophecy:
"Surely you are aware of how the wmscog shares misinformation about the Catholic and Protestant churches?"
And finally misrepresenting rare to nonexistant scenarios, again in an attempt to shift attention and blame:
"critics of your church were physically attacked"
There are only two times ina variety of Zions were I've ever even heard of physical violence on our part, both involved somebody trying to rush the pastor in the middle of service and they had to be "escorted" outside.
Our Church as a whole does not ever "attack" people, we do not condone attacking people, and will actively rebuke or turn in anyone who is breaking the law or being violent. I, nor anyone I know, has EVER even HEARD of us attacking somebody else. It is nonexistant, and if somehow I was simply unaware of an isolated incident, you can see how grossly exagerrated emil's statement is.
So can see how the people of this website continue to misrepresent information and beat around the bush, villifying us over the plain and simple topic of "can anyone come to study"? That is how eager they are to start arguments, theres two sides to every story, and theese people are deliberately leaving out the other half when they try to "help" you.
Theese people use the tiniest fault they can dig up, in even the smallest numbers, omit any details as it pleases them, and then pretend that it applies to our whole Church.
Are theese people rational, or even sane?
Be that as it may, one question remains:
If you are with the truth, why do you need a front group?
You already have a name for the organization – World mission society church of god!
Why do you have to deceive people like that? I don't remember Jesus using any front groups…
You are misinformed and repeating assumptions, that is my answer, we do not use any deception but proclaim loudly our organization Church of God.
In your very own "evidence" video they are discussing Mother, and the group itself rathrer blatantly offers bible studies to recognize the True church people should go to.
It is no different than saying "the church in galatia" its just another place where we are doing the will of God according to how we have been permitted to do it on that Campus.
It would be better if people stopped trying to play police and instead got the True authorities to speak on the matter. As it is everyone is afraid to make an issue because their own harassment would be exposed.
All you readers can judge for yourselves, are theese type of people telling you the truth about us?
You did not answer my question.
Why do you need a group going by a different name?
We don't, the campus does.
The campus probably doesn't allow a fully fledged church to operate in their building, with altar, services, and everything.
The campus, and most across the US, does however allow denominations or people preaching about a denomination to host bible study clubs.
Thus it is called a Bible Study club, because that is exactly what it is.
It also isn't called the "Church of God in Arizona" for the aforementioned same reason. But it is named after what we are studying. Elohim or, Elohim Academy.
With the blatantly advertised goal of revealing the true church people should go to: World Mision Society Church of God, in belief of Father and Mother.
You could even hear them talking about Mother in the video.
So all this smoke and mirrors you guys are trying to pull to make us look shady is only serving to expose the hippocrasy of your own complaints. Bible study groups are everywhere all the time and usually revolve around particular denominations, are you against those too?
So what you're saying is you don't know the answer.
Good to know :))
There is no special answer
There is no conspiracy.
It is a plain and simple name for a plain and simple bible club, operating openly and offering the true church and mother right up front.
I do know the answer, and the answer is: there is no special reason.
144000 makes a good point – the issue of the name of the bible study group is really just splitting hairs.
do (many) groups like the Unification Church (hereafter "UC")come up with alternative names as "front" groups? that answer is clearly yes. but this, too, would be splitting hairs – especially to members of the UC who would just use Matthew 10:16 as justification for the name alteration of the front group (for they are true believers in Moon and see the efforts of slanderers and blasphemers as the reason for the need to….alter the truth a bit).
a more salient point would be what happens once (after) one attends the bible study. (one could argue all day long that one is welcome to study with 144000 but only so long as one agrees with 144000's interpretations and teachings and this would be analogous to not only abusive religious organizations like the UC but also to mainstream religions as well). the problem arises when one is prevented, retarded, or discouraged from questioning or researching the leader in any way – this theme runs solid in abusive organizations or people (just turn on Dr. Phil and within a handful of episodes some poor person never researched the person taking money, sex, or whatever from them and they get to find out on public television the real story of the person that they (previously) trusted).
I wonder if Dennis Rodman is listening to the government sponsored radio in North Korea that churns out a 24/7 positive message about Kim Jong-un. That's all those people hear, so of course the N. Koreans believe that they live in paradise.
144000 wrote:
There is no special answer
There is no conspiracy.
It is a plain and simple name for a plain and simple bible club, operating openly and offering the true church and mother right up front.
I do know the answer, and the answer is: there is no special reason.
So what about www.daejayonusa.org?
Are you going to deny that the WMSCOG is behind this worldwide campus front group that advertises itself as an a group that is concerned with the environment? I don't see anything about the church on their website. If it is there and I missed it, please point me to it.
"only so long as one agrees with 144000's interpretations and teachings and this would be analogous to not only abusive religious organizations" ~Said no church, ever.
Requiring belief in the one true gospel is the core tenent of almost every Christian faith. Dissidents are advised to move on or are rebuked, and babylon churches that I go to they tell me to study with them according to what they believe and to preach and practice what they believe or else to leave. Your just making a sensational issue out of it like we are somehow special in desiring the one true Christ.
"questioning or researching the leader in any way – this theme runs solid in abusive organizations or people"
Sure, because questioning and denying the prophets Mr. Smith and Mrs. White in their respective churches goes so well. And I'm sure questioning Mohammed is kosher also. While we're at it, fault can be found in most church revisionists and seperatists and protestants. Do you know what happens at any church ever when you start bringing up contentious issues all the time? They tell you to leave, because obviously you do not believe.
Again, you're misrepresentign the truth, where there is no special case.
"So what about www.daejayonusa.org?"
What about it? Is that the name of the group on Arizona campus, or are we switcihng goalposts now? I thought that one was called Elohim bible study. It seems like your stretching really far now to try and villify the good works done by community activists and bible study-ers.
This theme runs solid in abusive websites like theese.
144000 wrote:
"Do you know what happens at any church ever when you start bringing up contentious issues all the time? They tell you to leave, because obviously you do not believe."
not true
and that's how I know you are in hook, line, and sinker:
all-or-nothing, categorical thinking processes with a little bit of cognitive dissonance reduction in the closer.
The fish never sees the hook, line, or sinker, does it? Otherwise it wouldn't have taken the bait.
"So what about www.daejayonusa.org?"
What about it? Is that the name of the group on Arizona campus, or are we switcihng goalposts now? I thought that one was called Elohim bible study. It seems like your stretching really far now to try and villify the good works done by community activists and bible study-ers.
This theme runs solid in abusive websites like theese.
Not switching goalpoasts as you say. The goal is still the same. You stated:
144000 wrote:
There is no special answer
There is no conspiracy.
It is a plain and simple name for a plain and simple bible club, operating openly and offering the true church and mother right up front.
I do know the answer, and the answer is: there is no special reason.
You are supporting an argument that essentially seeks to prove that the WMSCOG does not have any front groups. Maybe I misunderstood you and you meant that the Elohim Academy is not a front group. So I asked you if the WMSCOG uses Daejayon as a front group or do they operate openly as you claim that the Elohim Academy does. Instead of answering, you make a huge leap and claim that this entire website is abusive. This is just one discussion in a forum with numerous posts. Why don't you stop evading the question 144000?
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