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You may has read a post from a WMS member in support of another WMS member blasting me and saying more or less that I was the instigator and the that the "brother" should not have stooped to our level. I can only speculate that this supporter came in towards the end of the conversation and did not do her homework researching where this all started from. Well, there's another reason that this supporter may have come out as she did; When my loved one was a member of this group, I took part in one "Bible Study" at a local meeting place. If you research some of the tactics cults use when trying to win someone over you'll see a very text book example as I go on. When my loved one and I got to the meeting place we met up with two other people both from the WMS. There was a man who took over the Bible study. (I thought that when you go to a Bible study you would be following a guideline or building on some previous study.) As I thought I would be sitting in with a group that regularly got together it turned out to be three against one. With this man was a fairly attractive woman who seemed to be flirting with me a bit as well as asking me if I understood and agreed with what was being presented. Then there's my loved one representing the fairly new member trying to convince me that once I understood like she had that things would become clear. We went through a Bible study showing how the bombing of Japan in WWII was a prophesy. The presenter kept drawing this picture of part of a mushroom cloud saying that this is what was presented in a vision that seemed like a scroll being rolled up. At times during this I would point out obvious flaws in the teachings. Most of the response I would get would be something like, "well come back to that" and "if I can continue it will all make sence." A couple of times he would stop and ask me if I agreed with what had been presented so far. If I did'nt agree with the teaching he would say something like, "Well, there's no point in going on if you're not understanding the truth up to this point." Now I wasn't completely unprepared for this because I had expected to be pressured to some extent and even outnumbered as I was going into the lions den so to speak. I came back with, "Please go on as I am not the only person here right?" He then through out that the other folks already understood the truth and that they were really there to show me the truth. Ah, it was as I thought, three against one. I followed up with, "Well, you did say that I would understand as we go on with the study so please continue." I was taking notes as well as adding possible problems to these notes. After another minute or two of if your not getting it at this point and I'm not understanding it so far go on he continued with his presentation. Keep in mind that I had already poked a few holes in the study that he chose to move past. He kept going and also kept coming back and redrawing the mushroom cloud scroll as his obvious proof for the relivance of the study. As the study came to an end, about two and a half hours later, he seemed very sure of himself and the two other women were very onboard with his presentation and interpretation. Now came the "do you understand the truth that you have been shown?" part of the trap. I can see how this kind of approach can be very effective and if I had not been taking notes I'm sure that the information overload would have been enough for me to just feel like maybe they do have the truth. Fortunately God has my back and I was taking notes. I blew six of seven big holes in the study and left this man at a loss for answers. I don't know if this man is even a member of the WMS anymore after this night. I'll bet that it took a bit of discussion from other members of the WMS to keep him in if he stayed. When I asked my loved one about the Bible study afterwards what she witnessed was something else. In her eyes I was rude, disruptive, closed off, and a few other choice phrases. After the assement of my personality I asked her what she thought about the man and what I had shared with him. She said that there were a couple of scriptures that he used that she had never thought of. That this man was right on and that she had learned a lot. She had completely missed the fact of how the study came appart both during the lesson and at the end. If the information didn't agree with the teaching it was disreguarded. In one ear and out of the other.
I understand that we are dealing with a destructive mind control group. They are predisposed to ignore the facts and truth's that we present here. Truly I can only pitty them and at times try to shake them up enough to disrupt the programming they are influenced with. I can understand how another WMS member can come here and try to defend the actions of another WMS member. Obviously the defending member has been shaken up by the truth stating that she had to go back and be reconvinced by people higher up in the WMS. I wish that when her spirit was showing her that there is something wrong with the WMS she would have taken some time to learn the truth for herself but instead she went and got reconvinced by the same people that mislead her in the first place. It's a pitty.
Having lived through this type of thing within my own house and seeing the lack of fruit produced by it I admit that I am hardly effected when it happens in our forum. God has called me to be His Joshua and as such you may rest assured that I will continue to bring the light and the truth into this very dark hole called the WMSCOG. Even though I am weak, God makes me strong. Peace and love everyone.
But he did it again. at the next kingdom, or was that issac.
either abraham or issac, every kingdom they went he had that story.
This topic about your experience (Joshua) is very similar to the example of mind cotrol where they have one person in a group that knows the experiment and they start asking which of the three lines is the same as the line presented. Someone starts saying the wrong answers and gets approval from the authority until everyone starts following the answers of the person saying the wrong answer so they also get approval of the leader. The person providing the "bible study" most of the times is in front of a board and there is a table at the room between you and that person. That creates the PRINCIPAL-STUDENT feeling and is until you give authority to that person that it start working for them to indoctrinate you because you will be looking for that person's approval in your statements.
fromtheotherside wrote:
questioninginla your post makes no sense. You should check yourself first, mate. Truth is the gospel. It's clear God doesn't condone lying don't know what ex2 and josh1 has to do with it. Please make your post more easier to understand.
ex2 and josh1 have examples of the lying in which seem to have brought out a healthy outcome, but it is important to note that God does not explicitly approve.
The Bible verses that discourage or explicitly prohibit lying are many. We must, as Jesus taught in the NT, be consistently on our guard for manipulation. If only Jesus had been able to give Eve a warning about what subtle manipulation does *sigh*…….
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