[Love'n Honey]

Independent of the WMSCOG, I was wondering if demons have names. I know other cultures pretty much have a roll call of their demons, but where are the ones related to the Holy Bible? Or are they all the same?

[Sarah2013]

[Sarah2013]

The Chive wrote:

Demons are Greek Mythology that was infused during the time by Hellenistic Jews.

 

Enoch was written well after the establishment of the Jewish Torah.

So… is that to say they are unreal?

[MountainMom]

If you could prove they have your picture up in a Zion or are telling members you are something you are not, wouldn't that be grounds for a lawsuit?  I know they are telling people certain interventionists are "family destroyers."  I can't believe how quick they are to pounce on non members for free speech and opinions. Then they turn around and  actually put up pictures, show videos a person has made, and disparage them publicly. 

And if they think Renita and others are persecuting them, shouldn't they thank them?  Because I was told the more you are persecuted, the more blessings you will receive, so persecution is a good thing.

[Harry]

MountainMom wrote:

If you could prove they have your picture up in a Zion or are telling members you are something you are not, wouldn't that be grounds for a lawsuit?  I know they are telling people certain interventionists are "family destroyers."  I can't believe how quick they are to pounce on non members for free speech and opinions. Then they turn around and  actually put up pictures, show videos a person has made, and disparage them publicly. 

And if they think Renita and others are persecuting them, shouldn't they thank them?  Because I was told the more you are persecuted, the more blessings you will receive, so persecution is a good thing.

so true MM so true!!

[The Chive]

fried rice wrote:

The book of Enoch is not part of the canonized Bible, true. It's not considered divinely inspired, but it's worth looking into if you're interested in the details of it all. Several apocryphal books like this one are mentioned in the Bible, so don't be so quick to throw them out the window 😀 (e.g. Jude 1:14) . Here's what the book of Jubilees, also an apocrypha, has to say about the names of some fallen ones:

1. Armaros: Taught men the resolving of enchantments.

2. Araqiel (Arakiel) Taught men the signs of the earth.

3. Azazel: Taught men to make knives, swords, shields; to devise ornaments, coloring tinctures for the beautifying of women, etc.

4. Baraqijal (Baraqel): Taught men astrology.

5. Ezequeel (Ezekeel): Taught men the knowledge of clouds.

6. Gadreel: Introduced weapons of war to mortals.

7. Kokabel (Kawkabel): Taught the science of the constellations.

8. Penemue: Instructed mankind in writing “and thereby many sinned from eternity to eternity and until this day…

9. Sariel: Taught men the course of the moon.

10. Semjaza: Taught men enchantments, root-cuttings, etc.

11. Shamshiel: Taught men the signs of the sun.

 Almost all of those names are Babylonian/Sumerian. They are Hebrew translated.

 

YoMomma SoFat wrote:

I heard of Azazel. So.. not all fallen angels are demons? Not all demons are that bad?

 Azazel only refers to the goat used for the sins of Israel on the Day of Atonement. It is not an angel. WMSCOG and Christianity refer to said angel with the same knowledge of using "Satan" as hades, leader of an underworld land.

 

Sarah2013 wrote:

The Chive wrote:

Demons are Greek Mythology that was infused during the time by Hellenistic Jews.

 

Enoch was written well after the establishment of the Jewish Torah.

So… is that to say they are unreal?

 

There is no proof  that demons ever existed in Cantonization until the Greek adaptations of the Hebrew Bible through Hellenistic Jews and the Greeks themselves.

 

[Sarah2013]

The Chive wrote:

fried rice wrote:

The book of Enoch is not part of the canonized Bible, true. It's not considered divinely inspired, but it's worth looking into if you're interested in the details of it all. Several apocryphal books like this one are mentioned in the Bible, so don't be so quick to throw them out the window 😀 (e.g. Jude 1:14) . Here's what the book of Jubilees, also an apocrypha, has to say about the names of some fallen ones:

1. Armaros: Taught men the resolving of enchantments.

2. Araqiel (Arakiel) Taught men the signs of the earth.

3. Azazel: Taught men to make knives, swords, shields; to devise ornaments, coloring tinctures for the beautifying of women, etc.

4. Baraqijal (Baraqel): Taught men astrology.

5. Ezequeel (Ezekeel): Taught men the knowledge of clouds.

6. Gadreel: Introduced weapons of war to mortals.

7. Kokabel (Kawkabel): Taught the science of the constellations.

8. Penemue: Instructed mankind in writing “and thereby many sinned from eternity to eternity and until this day…

9. Sariel: Taught men the course of the moon.

10. Semjaza: Taught men enchantments, root-cuttings, etc.

11. Shamshiel: Taught men the signs of the sun.

 Almost all of those names are Babylonian/Sumerian. They are Hebrew translated.

 

YoMomma SoFat wrote:

I heard of Azazel. So.. not all fallen angels are demons? Not all demons are that bad?

 Azazel only refers to the goat used for the sins of Israel on the Day of Atonement. It is not an angel. WMSCOG and Christianity refer to said angel with the same knowledge of using "Satan" as hades, leader of an underworld land.

 

Sarah2013 wrote:

The Chive wrote:

Demons are Greek Mythology that was infused during the time by Hellenistic Jews.

 

Enoch was written well after the establishment of the Jewish Torah.

So… is that to say they are unreal?

 

There is no proof  that demons ever existed in Cantonization until the Greek adaptations of the Hebrew Bible through Hellenistic Jews and the Greeks themselves.

The Chive, if this is true, then have you ever thought that even the so called God may not existed also. perhaps we just evolved. In addition, the Bible is also a bunch of nonsense based on your reply. This all means we are a bunch of silly goose believing in things that are myths.

[The Chive]



The Chive, if this is true, then have you ever thought that even the so called God may not existed also. perhaps we just evolved. In addition, the Bible is also a bunch of nonsense based on your reply. This all means we are a bunch of silly goose believing in things that are myths.

 Facts dont cease to be facts because one tends to ignore them. There is no proof of demons or demon names in any part of the Hebrew Bible. Its Greek Paganism added to the modern form of Christianity.

 

The term Satan is only used twice in the Hebrew bible as an Angel:

The Book Of Job

The Book of Zechariah :

 

To quote Zechariah Chapter 3:

"  1 And he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to accuse him. 2 And the LORD said unto Satan: 'The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan, yea, the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee; is not this man a brand plucked out of the fire?'   

2 And the LORD said unto Satan: 'The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan, yea, the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee; is not this man a brand plucked out of the fire?'  

3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.  

4 And he answered and spoke unto those that stood before him, saying: 'Take the filthy garments from off him.' And unto him he said: 'Behold, I cause thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with robes.' "