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- August 29, 2013 at 11:36 PM#7059soldierParticipant
Hey, its been a while. Well, my wife has decided that she wants to divorce me regardless of how hard I object. I keep bringing up bible scriptures that speak out specifically against divorce ie. 1 Cor 7:13-16 and 1 Cor 7:39. I'm curious to know what the wms tells their members about divorce. My wife acts like it is solely her decision (which it may be) however I know it is influenced by wms. Thank you all for the input.
- August 30, 2013 at 4:21 AM #64326
emilParticipantWhy just quote Paul when you can quote Jesus?
Mt 5:32 –
But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Mt 19:9 – I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.
Mk 10:11-12 – 11 He answered, “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. 12 And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.”
Lk 16:18 – Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
The above are all from the point of view of a man desiring to divorce because that was a patriarchal society. This is equally applicable to women.
August 30, 2013 at 4:21 AM #14773
emilParticipantWhy just quote Paul when you can quote Jesus?
Mt 5:32 –
But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Mt 19:9 – I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.
Mk 10:11-12 – 11 He answered, “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. 12 And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.”
Lk 16:18 – Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
The above are all from the point of view of a man desiring to divorce because that was a patriarchal society. This is equally applicable to women.
August 30, 2013 at 7:31 AM #64327
SmurfParticipantYeah, you may use bible verses, but that's not going to bring you anywhere. She's obviously made the decision and will follow through.
Sad. I feel for you, man. Someone should put an end to this non-sence and put mum out of her misery for good.
At this point I would consider going back to the wms, see if that's an option.
Normally you should respect her sovereign choice, but she's not in her right mind. You can't just let her throw your marriage out the window.
Man up.
August 30, 2013 at 7:31 AM #14774
SmurfParticipantYeah, you may use bible verses, but that's not going to bring you anywhere. She's obviously made the decision and will follow through.
Sad. I feel for you, man. Someone should put an end to this non-sence and put mum out of her misery for good.
At this point I would consider going back to the wms, see if that's an option.
Normally you should respect her sovereign choice, but she's not in her right mind. You can't just let her throw your marriage out the window.
Man up.
August 30, 2013 at 8:10 AM #14775
emilParticipant^ I agree that the bible verses are not going to matter to her. But I doubt if offering to return would make her change her mind.
I am sure you two guys might have had a lot of disagreements because of the wmscog. So even if they have not told her to leave you, it is probably because of them that you disagree the most.
August 30, 2013 at 8:10 AM #64328
emilParticipant^ I agree that the bible verses are not going to matter to her. But I doubt if offering to return would make her change her mind.
I am sure you two guys might have had a lot of disagreements because of the wmscog. So even if they have not told her to leave you, it is probably because of them that you disagree the most.
August 31, 2013 at 1:22 PM #64329
Ram KoiralaParticipantSoldier my friend divorce is not the solution. Divorce is not the decession of your ones it is the decession of wmscog. You must find the solution I was also in same trouble later we found solution.
August 31, 2013 at 1:22 PM #14776
Ram KoiralaParticipantSoldier my friend divorce is not the solution. Divorce is not the decession of your ones it is the decession of wmscog. You must find the solution I was also in same trouble later we found solution.
September 1, 2013 at 11:39 PM #64330
soldierParticipantWhat solution Ram?
September 1, 2013 at 11:39 PM #14772
soldierParticipantWhat solution Ram?
September 2, 2013 at 4:29 AM #14318
Sarah2013Participant@Emil: i have a question. You can answer via Pm or here. Hypothetically, lets say I used to worship the devil (satanist) with my husband and later found Christ, yet he still continues with my past, do I leave him – divorce – or stay? keep in mind the following scripture and answer based on that. 1 Corinthians 7: 15. Thanks.
September 2, 2013 at 4:29 AM #64331
Sarah2013Participant@Emil: i have a question. You can answer via Pm or here. Hypothetically, lets say I used to worship the devil (satanist) with my husband and later found Christ, yet he still continues with my past, do I leave him – divorce – or stay? keep in mind the following scripture and answer based on that. 1 Corinthians 7: 15. Thanks.
September 2, 2013 at 4:55 AM #64332
emilParticipantIt is my belief that one should not divorce in these circumstances. However, if our spouse wants a divorce then we cannot fight it and our obligation to save our marriage ceases.
That is the way I understand it. However, I wouldn't want to think of it as a blanket rule becaue one never knows the exact circumstances and dynamics of a couple like Soldier for instance. It is best that he speaks to his own pastor for guidance.
September 2, 2013 at 6:47 AM #14092
SmurfParticipantemil wrote:
However, if our spouse wants a divorce then we cannot fight it and our obligation to save our marriage ceases.
Yeah, but you see, that implies a healthy mind on her part. If she's brainwashed and doesn't know what she's doing, she's not entitled to a say in the matter.
Don't listen to him, @soldier, the obligation ceases when one of you is dead. Remember? Till death do us part… not till mama says: "part"!
September 2, 2013 at 6:47 AM #64333
SmurfParticipantemil wrote:
However, if our spouse wants a divorce then we cannot fight it and our obligation to save our marriage ceases.
Yeah, but you see, that implies a healthy mind on her part. If she's brainwashed and doesn't know what she's doing, she's not entitled to a say in the matter.
Don't listen to him, @soldier, the obligation ceases when one of you is dead. Remember? Till death do us part… not till mama says: "part"!
September 2, 2013 at 7:12 AM #64334
Sarah2013ParticipantThat depends on death definition. Physical or spiritual.
September 2, 2013 at 7:12 AM #14091
Sarah2013ParticipantThat depends on death definition. Physical or spiritual.
September 2, 2013 at 9:30 AM #14047
emilParticipantfly lice wrote:
Yeah, but you see, that implies a healthy mind on her part. If she's brainwashed and doesn't know what she's doing, she's not entitled to a say in the matter.
Don't listen to him, @soldier, the obligation ceases when one of you is dead. Remember? Till death do us part… not till mama says: "part"!
Sorry if I am not clear in what I said. I am not advocating that soldier goes ahead to divorce his wife. What I am saying is that if soldier agrees to the divorce, the sin is not on his head. Having said that, he should make his best effort to convince her to stick together.
Regarding whether she has a say in the matter or not, we might hold any opinion about her mental state but such an opinion will not stand scrutiny in the legal system I believe.
September 2, 2013 at 9:30 AM #64335
emilParticipantfly lice wrote:
Yeah, but you see, that implies a healthy mind on her part. If she's brainwashed and doesn't know what she's doing, she's not entitled to a say in the matter.
Don't listen to him, @soldier, the obligation ceases when one of you is dead. Remember? Till death do us part… not till mama says: "part"!
Sorry if I am not clear in what I said. I am not advocating that soldier goes ahead to divorce his wife. What I am saying is that if soldier agrees to the divorce, the sin is not on his head. Having said that, he should make his best effort to convince her to stick together.
Regarding whether she has a say in the matter or not, we might hold any opinion about her mental state but such an opinion will not stand scrutiny in the legal system I believe.
September 2, 2013 at 8:44 PM #13976
Love'n HoneyParticipantI don't know if this was mentioned yet since I only skimmed the responses.. but the WMSCOG teaches that if anyone tries to pry you away from God you ought to remove yourself from that person's life. I can't think of the verse but I think A. Paul said something about that.
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