[MountainMom]

 I have come to understand that the lady in the Today Show video is now divorced from the Korean fellow she was married to.  I know the Biblical read on divorce, but I wonder what spin they give to members divorcing each other.  How does a deacon divorce someone that "Mother" obviously gave her "blessings" to marry?    How does the church explain why there are so very many divorces in their membership?  I know the mainstream statistics on divorce, I am just wondering how the church explains divorce among members in their own supposedly "perfectly happy place." 

There are so many heartbreaking stories, as well,  of marriages broken up by the Wms because one of the persons did not believe what the church preaches.  It is especially heartbreaking when it involves the breakup of families with little children.  These little ones don't understand that their Mom or Dad is under undue influence.  They just know they are sad because their Mom or Dad pays no attention to them any more and seems not to love them.  They just know that they beg their parent to stay with them and show them some attention, and they are ignored.  And often, they are sad because their parents are now divorced due to the demands of the Wms.

If the Bible is against divorce, then why is there so much of it in the Wms?  I have heard many members acknowledge that there is a lot of divorce there, but they seem oblivious to the cause.

[UntouchableJ]

[UntouchableJ]

@Mountain There is an easy answer. Plausible Denial, or just don’t talk about it. My first Overseer was moved because he had been making advances at the female members. He grew fond of one woman and blocked her interest in a male member her own age. In an attempt to get close to her, he recommended that the “brother” she was dating, be moved to another church. The overseer had a Korean wife,and of course the situation ended in divorce. WMS just didnt bring it up. Now we can look at it one of two ways; is this secrecy of or relevance?

When it comes to WMS not helping or instructing Married members who have a non-believing spouse, thats where I see issue. The bible says that the spouse of a believing member is saved. But this is another issue they dont take an obvious stance on. A church should tell a member, “Brother/Sister, we see your level of dedication here, but please, make sure your taking care of home.” Wms doesnt do this. Ever. They also dont give advice or offer any counseling services to the members who are in the arranged marriages. Wms is very arrogant in their preaching, but timid and evasive with their practices. We have seen them dodge the issue of arranged marriages, member giving etc. On one hand they are quick to say, “We believe in Heavenly Mom &Dad, Hooray!”, but when their practices are brought up, they say “We are different leave us alone we just want to worship God our way”. Muslims, Jews and Other cults that have different practices, easily open up about what they do. WMS won’t

[MountainMom]

I have every reason to believe it is exactly as you say, Untouchable.  I have just heard of another tragic family break up that really saddens me. 

I also know of many practices by the church that seem to be choreographed to break up marriages, and that it is done deliberately and completely against what the Bible says.  The Bible reads that a man who is newly married is not to be given duties at church but should be left free to stay at home and make his bride happy for a year!  What the Wms church leaders and members did to a newlywed couple  a few years ago illustrates that they do not follow the Bible "perfectly" as they all like to say.  After a couple had been married only one month (a member to a non member)  the church turned up the heat on the member, requiring him suddenly to tithe and be at church all day Saturday and attend Tuesdays as well.  This was a complete shock to his new bride who had no say in this at all.  She was not consulted by her husband before he committed to this big change.  She was very concerned and tried to talk to her husband about it, but the church undermined her at every turn.  She even talked to the Pastor there, saying that she would at least like to have him on Sundays because this whole thing was destroying their marriage, in her opinion.  Not only did it do no good, the church stepped up the pressure on the husband to be there even MORE hours and even MORE days of the week.   A member apparently knew of her request to have her husband home at least on Sundays and knew of the problems being caused by his absence.  They tried to keep the husband till midnight thereafter, at the church, or at the house of his "handler."  When the wife tried to tell the "handler" that she would like her husband to come home, the "handler" said, "It isn't midnight yet.  You said you wanted him all day Sundays."   Of course, they took him Sundays whenever they wanted as well.   They would also call him at eleven o'clock at night even during the work week to come to church.

This is against the Bible, and the Pastor and the member has to know this.  So apparently they don't care if it furthers their agenda and keeps a big time tither in their midst.  Sad for this couple.  Happy for the pastor.

[UntouchableJ]

Yes Mountain, all things they do. They tried something subtle and small to break up my house hold. But they are sly as a den of foxes. The key for any members reading thia, is take your time. There was a group leader who would tell the leadership that Sunday was her family day, No exceptions. The main concern is why doesnt the “True” church know about the biblical teachings to honor a marriage whether it involves 2 members or not?

[JohnFoutraged]

Any current members reading this here is my advice to you…

DO – NOT – Get married to another member in this church! Do not even think you can bring your spouse, or fiancée to this church!! DONT DO IT!

You will never be able to escape! And even if you manage to get out you will be very poor and humiliated. Also I’m sure they’ll talk bad about you!

“oh brother so and so had to leave – he needed to overcome and repent…maybe God will let him back”. “Yeah brother so and so was having a relationship with someone other than his wife…” “Brother so and so was eating from the tree of knowledge (the Internet)”… “I heard she was in an abusive relationship with her husband so she had to divorce him”.

I have not once heard of a member that left and was spoken good of. It’s always a member left and the church has a negative view point of them. Although the ex-members I see here and have read about seem to be MUCH happier now they are out. I think it’s funny how the WMSCOG can paint a negative portrayal of an ex-member but the ex-member is doing quite well. But am I wrong? Has anyone ever heard of an ex-member praised? “Oh brother so and so had to Lear for personal matters… He was a good brother I hope Father and Mother continue to bless him”. Never have I heard about that. I’ve actually heard a leader say that because a member did keep passover he “wasn’t a brother”. It’s always “his mind is poison”, “he loved the world more than zion”… Never have I heard of a story like “brother left to pursue higher education/ or a better job! He must be so busy I hope Father and Mother bring him back”.

[JohnFoutraged]

Sorry for typos – meant to write “didn’t keep passover – he was explained as not being a brother”

[UntouchableJ]

@John Correct. I think thats another twist on their mind control. There lies the issue with Religion vs. Spirituality. We are Brothers/Sisters/Family…until I leave. Let me defer to the Prodigal son. The father didnt say, “Engh…my eldest son left, guess I sont have a son anymore”. If Religious people TRULY believed the doctrine, they would leave the judging up to GOD. Even Jesus spoke in detail about that. I was reading a YT comment I had commented on. I was going back and forth with a member. I noticed he had checked my YT history and referenced that I listened to “Vulgar worldy music”. To my point, a WMS member judged me based on what HE thought was a sin. Sorry WMS member, listening to Hiphop…in my opinion, isnt going to send me to hell. And even if it does, I would see him there because judging is a sin as well.

[jw03550]

UTJ-it was the younger son, not the eldest. fyi.

[MountainMom]

@JohnFO:  I have never once heard of any member who left and was talked about positively.  It is always explained as they had some kind of defect.  Even people who were told they were "spiritual superstars" by the members and the leadership are maligned after they left.  So I guess they don't need to take it personally, it's just business to the leadership. It's damage control. 

So funny how they make it a church event of sorts to actively shun those people who leave.  They must be announcing it to the congregation or making it some kind of project to let everyone know that they are not to talk anymore to former members.  People who were really close when they were members no longer even acknowledge a "hello" on the street from the ex member they professed to love as "family."

[MountainMom]

Interesting that only the religions with "cult-like characteristics" shun ex members. 

[Ms Freedom]

But what about Missionary Powers saying they are all about “unifying families?” He couldn’t be lying or he would be breaking one of god’s commandments!

[MountainMom]

Lol!  To me it seemed like he was lying every time his lips moved, but that is my opinion based on my experiences.  If they are all about families why couldn't even "Mother" save all the marriages that go under in that place?  Geez, she can't even save the ones she arranged and gave "blessings" to.

[Elaine]

@MM For the past 12 years we are having similar experiences with our family member who has now earned his position of a Pastor by playing the Devils advocate. They are so full of lies.

John 8:44 You belong to your Father, the devil, and you want to carry out your Father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he  speaks his "native language", for he is a liar and the father of lies.

My brother was trapped into wms at the time his marriage ended in a divorce. He was then given a korean bride which also lasted for a short time. He blamed the Korean bride for being lazy and possessed. Marriages in WMS has become a joke or a childs play.

True MM how can this mother God save all these marriages if she couldn't save her own???

 

[Sarah2013]

First of all and with all due respect, we have free will… So God forces nobody, Secondly, wmscog is not anointed. If they were of God, you’d have no record of them suing people. Think about it, who did Jesus take to court??? I am, and will forever be, ashamed I ever attended that church.

[Ms Freedom]

“True MM how can this mother God save all these marriages if she couldn’t save her own???”

Well technically it is still debatable if she was ever married to ASH as he was married with children to another woman and Zang was married with children to another man. So if she was with Ash she didn’t have to save her marriage, the WMS gods just had an affair. That brings up questions:

1. Why did god marry the wrong person to begin with? (applies to both)

2. If god had children with a human, what does that make their kids? Half gods? (Half the time they do right and half the time they don’t – I think I’m a half-god!)

3. Why didn’t the previous spouses write books about what it was like being married to god?

4. If they both divorced their first spouse, why did the gods break their own rules about divorce? According to the Bible, the only reason you can divorce someone is if your spouse cheated – which is what the gods did!

Any way you spin this – it just doesn’t hold up! Both of their pasts represent human nature. Sadly the members don’t ask questions and they therefore believe in two humans as gods (1 dead and 1 alive) who only became gods when some Korean J. K. Rowling whipped up this twisted fairytale.

[UntouchableJ]

Bumped