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I would be very please if someone kindly elaborate why WMSCOG didn't realy encourage much preaching to disable, handicap, poor people or sometimes to be more precise gay and lesbians?
Kim wrote:
Cephas' Brother wrote:
My opinion, they don't preach to the homeless, the sick, the incarcerated, because it's not likely that they'll profit from it. Those people aren't likely to have a ton of disposable income, and they're not likely to preach and bring in more members. So much for "mother's love" right?
I agree with your opinion 100%
Disabled persons are considered a reliability but from what Simon shared I could conclude that not all zions are like that but I would also have to conclude that we would never see a disabled wmscog missionary/deacon/pastor or does anyone know somebody who is one?
In asia region, the wmscog here thinks gay and lesbian is a big no no, they consider them as the devil sons and daughters…. the preachers here keep preaching about how AIDS were originally came from catholic church and the first victim is a catholic priest.
for disabled person, they think its god's way to punish that person for the crime he/she done before he/she were thrown to earth.
Elievalkyrie wrote:
Kim wrote:
Cephas' Brother wrote:
My opinion, they don't preach to the homeless, the sick, the incarcerated, because it's not likely that they'll profit from it. Those people aren't likely to have a ton of disposable income, and they're not likely to preach and bring in more members. So much for "mother's love" right?
I agree with your opinion 100%
Disabled persons are considered a reliability but from what Simon shared I could conclude that not all zions are like that but I would also have to conclude that we would never see a disabled wmscog missionary/deacon/pastor or does anyone know somebody who is one?
Never seen a disabled (obviously at least) WMSCOG person above common member
elijah wrote:
Simon wrote:
What I cannot figure out if if it is Unique why did the pastor allow it?
There are some pastors not that orthodox. Here if the leader is not korean they tend to be more human but koreans are very closed minded.
I was told that Mother said each church is lead by the Overseers faith. If he has faith the homosexuals will be saved then he may allow us to preach to them.
KC wrote:
In asia region, the wmscog here thinks gay and lesbian is a big no no, they consider them as the devil sons and daughters…. the preachers here keep preaching about how AIDS were originally came from catholic church and the first victim is a catholic priest.
And what biblical verse do they give to support that statement? I know they keep saying that they only teach things taken from the bible and since gay-lesbian rejection is a form of teaching, they must have provided another biblical verse for that.
Simon wrote:
Elievalkyrie wrote:
Kim wrote:
Cephas' Brother wrote:
My opinion, they don't preach to the homeless, the sick, the incarcerated, because it's not likely that they'll profit from it. Those people aren't likely to have a ton of disposable income, and they're not likely to preach and bring in more members. So much for "mother's love" right?
I agree with your opinion 100%
Disabled persons are considered a reliability but from what Simon shared I could conclude that not all zions are like that but I would also have to conclude that we would never see a disabled wmscog missionary/deacon/pastor or does anyone know somebody who is one?
Never seen a disabled (obviously at least) WMSCOG person above common member
Yep, I guess they don't want to tarnish their "perfect" kingdom.
KC wrote:
for disabled person, they think its god's way to punish that person for the crime he/she done before he/she were thrown to earth.
They think this, they think that…Again, they are presuming what God is doing and judging people when only God has the right to do that.
It's kind of their way of "proving" God is fair. Is it fair to make one person blind and another with 20/20 vision? To many it doesn't appear fair. But to say that the person who is blind committed more crimes or a more serious crime than the person with perfect vision makes his/her creation appear fair. Kind of like jail.. There are different degrees of crimes so there are different degrees of punishments.
That is IF it is true that humans are indeed angels in their past life.
I'm really sick and tired of hearing about this mother. Sorry guys.
LOL. That's okay Sarah, I get that feeling often. The thing here is that Ahn really isn't the enemy. He preached what he believed in but never claimed that he was god. But Zhang and wmscog used Ahn and his teachings, twisted it into something evil and in the process dragged Ahn's name in the mud along with them.
Elievalkyrie wrote:
LOL. That's okay Sarah, I get that feeling often. The thing here is that Ahn really isn't the enemy. He preached what he believed in but never claimed that he was god. But Zhang and wmscog used Ahn and his teachings, twisted it into something evil and in the process dragged Ahn's name in the mud along with them.
I know Eli, it just annoys me sometimes and you are right in your comment about Ahn. Auggghhh…. lol.
Elievalkyrie wrote:
KC wrote:
In asia region, the wmscog here thinks gay and lesbian is a big no no, they consider them as the devil sons and daughters…. the preachers here keep preaching about how AIDS were originally came from catholic church and the first victim is a catholic priest.
And what biblical verse do they give to support that statement? I know they keep saying that they only teach things taken from the bible and since gay-lesbian rejection is a form of teaching, they must have provided another biblical verse for that.
Simon wrote:
Elievalkyrie wrote:
Kim wrote:
Cephas' Brother wrote:
My opinion, they don't preach to the homeless, the sick, the incarcerated, because it's not likely that they'll profit from it. Those people aren't likely to have a ton of disposable income, and they're not likely to preach and bring in more members. So much for "mother's love" right?
I agree with your opinion 100%
Disabled persons are considered a reliability but from what Simon shared I could conclude that not all zions are like that but I would also have to conclude that we would never see a disabled wmscog missionary/deacon/pastor or does anyone know somebody who is one?
Never seen a disabled (obviously at least) WMSCOG person above common member
Yep, I guess they don't want to tarnish their "perfect" kingdom.
KC wrote:
for disabled person, they think its god's way to punish that person for the crime he/she done before he/she were thrown to earth.
They think this, they think that…Again, they are presuming what God is doing and judging people when only God has the right to do that.
What can you expect from people who thinks that everybody else on this planet is sataaaaanic and would and should be doomed.
They usually just keep swinging that verse about the whore of babylon, the chick in red dress which supposed to mean the catholic and the pope to be exact and other denomination as the daughters of that whore…….. talking about prosecution and the hobby of bad mouthing huh?
I find the idea that humans were once angels believable. It makes sense to me. I don't know if it makes sense because it's the only answer I was given or if it makes sense simply because it makes sense. Either way.. it makes sense to me. =)
mpl wrote:
Elievalkyrie wrote:
That is IF it is true that humans are indeed angels in their past life.
Yes Elie i doubted it, this concept has been bugging me ever since. I would like to hear from you more deep about this one.
Can you give me the biblical verses they provide to support the "humans were angels" idea so we can look into it?
renita.payno wrote:
I find the idea that humans were once angels believable. It makes sense to me. I don't know if it makes sense because it's the only answer I was given or if it makes sense simply because it makes sense. Either way.. it makes sense to me. =)
It makes sense just as Clark Kent who became Superman have superstrength because he came from another planet. Fictions are interesting Renita, and providing reasons for it to make sense makes it more believable. ^___^
Reading these verses, I cannot see how you could derive the thinking that angels were humans in the past life just reading this. Even Job 38:21, the way I see it, is placed sarcastically. See the words, "Have you lived that many years?". If you read the whole chapter, it's like God is asking, "Who are you to question me? Were you there when I planned everything? Are you more powerful than me to try questioning me why I do the things I do?". Claiming that people indeed are angels in their past lives just because of this one verse is wrong. First of all, it goes out of the context. God was angry and was scolding Job for questioning Him. It's weird when you just say that, "Oh, God just had a slip of a tongue and told Job he was an angel before!"
if superman really existed, it would make plenty sense that he came from a different planet. im living in a world full good and bad where it appears the good happens to everyone else. i can accept that i deserve this because i did something bad in a past life than to go through this because God thinks it to be a good idea. this is why it makes sense to me that we were once angels who sinned and now experience this life.
As someone who bore fruit with two persons of questionable orientation, and who has counciled others, we have no restrctions of preaching to the "sexually deviant".
We are up front about commandments concerning sexual deviance in the New Covenant (which is to say being a married man and wife is the only concession given by God to man).
But, we preach that everyone has thier own unique stumbling blocks, and God loves all and will give everyone the strength to overcome. We preach that a decision doesn't have to be made right away, and that it can be very difficult, so we should focus on the regular studies first.
It is true that after a while, however, members will be reminded that we are here to follow God's will, and inevitably they will have to make a choice.
As for disabled persons, I know four in the church who were preached to and then baptised, they regale me with stories about the friendliness of the WMS.
So I am concerned to hear that you had a bad experience. But like all things in my previous posts, I assure you that is not the -regular- way we are supposed to act. We are supposed to be graceful, full of compassion, and understanding.
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