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- February 4, 2013 at 3:11 PM#7111mplParticipant
I would be very please if someone kindly elaborate why WMSCOG didn't realy encourage much preaching to disable, handicap, poor people or sometimes to be more precise gay and lesbians?
- February 4, 2013 at 3:43 PM #52500
SimonParticipantI think thats unique to LA
February 4, 2013 at 3:56 PM #52501
SimonParticipantor at least not universal
February 4, 2013 at 4:32 PM #52502
JoshuaParticipantI have heard about this kind of segregation of preaching from many of the major WMS locations. The teaching that Ron eludes to in his video was well taught for many years and if you talk with the members that were in this group for approx. seven years or greater they can tell you all about these studies. This is one of the things that they can tell you with clairity because of the teaching methods and repetition of the WMS.
February 4, 2013 at 6:11 PM #52503
SimonParticipantAs obvious from Diane's video Denver is a recent church compared to LA. So any changes temporal may not be noticed by members long term relative for Denver
February 4, 2013 at 6:55 PM #52504
Love'n HoneyParticipantI was told not to preach to the mentally ill because they are not in their right minds and can't think for themselves. We also weren't allowed to preach to children because their salvation depended on their parents' faith. We weren't supposed to preach to the homeless because they might join for the wrong reasons. I forget why we weren't supposed to preach to gays and lesbians but I do remember being told if you were sexually attracted to the same sex but never actually did anything, it was ok for us to preach to you. But of course we weren't going to ask them the extent of their homosexuality so, better safe than sorry. We weren't supposed to preach to the physically handicap because they wouldn't be able to contribute to the preaching as well as physically capable people.
February 4, 2013 at 7:59 PM #52505
SimonParticipantI preached to homosexuals even with the house church leader present. Our Deacon once preached to a homeless man. So far as preaching to children I was told it was so parents couldn't accuse us and stuff nothing about the parents faith or lack affecting the children's salvation. And I've seen handicapped in "Zion" so idk.
February 4, 2013 at 8:09 PM #52506
mplParticipanti dont know if its true or not but if it is then where would the homos sit during service since WMSCOG have this seperate seat arrangement for diff opposite sex??
February 4, 2013 at 8:58 PM #52507
SimonParticipantI assume it would still be brothers right sisters left
February 4, 2013 at 9:39 PM #52508
Sarah2013ParticipantNow that’s sick.
February 4, 2013 at 9:53 PM #52509
mplParticipanti know so lets keep the homos aside,it aint right they made there own choices, but what about certain people who are born naturally that way …this is very common cases like in India country.born of a male structure but acquire the personality etc of a female and even dress like one,,i assume there are no place for them inside the church then…
February 5, 2013 at 2:34 AM #52510
Sarah2013ParticipantWhat’s homos?
February 5, 2013 at 2:50 AM #52511
elijahParticipantSimon, the most I read about your post, I think your case is unique. Church of God doesnt preach to homosexuals (as many other christians), dont to homeless (as many other christians), and if somebody was born disabled then its believed that they have evil. Even baptism prayer is different for people with disabled and the difference is that you have to pray for the "evil to come out of him"
February 5, 2013 at 6:05 AM #52512
mplParticipantelijah wrote:
Simon, the most I read about your post, I think your case is unique. Church of God doesnt preach to homosexuals (as many other christians), dont to homeless (as many other christians), and if somebody was born disabled then its believed that they have evil. Even baptism prayer is different for people with disabled and the difference is that you have to pray for the "evil to come out of him"
'if sombody was born disabled then its believed that they have evil', yes elijah thats what m being told by the WMSCOG, They are born physically handicap as a sign of God's punishment for their greater sin commited in heaven.
February 5, 2013 at 11:36 AM #52513
ElievalkyrieParticipantI didn't stay long in our zion but during my short stay, most of the members were young people less than 30 yrs.old and I saw no handicapped and homos (you can't really tell) around. I remember something my co-member said that was weird though, he said "We preach in streets and you can see all the people who looked like addicts run away from us, they are scared of the bible" Though in my opinion, people just viewed them as s nuisance and just went away to avoid their irritating preaching.
February 5, 2013 at 1:03 PM #52514
SimonParticipantmpl wrote:
elijah wrote:
Simon, the most I read about your post, I think your case is unique. Church of God doesnt preach to homosexuals (as many other christians), dont to homeless (as many other christians), and if somebody was born disabled then its believed that they have evil. Even baptism prayer is different for people with disabled and the difference is that you have to pray for the "evil to come out of him"
'if sombody was born disabled then its believed that they have evil', yes elijah thats what m being told by the WMSCOG, They are born physically handicap as a sign of God's punishment for their greater sin commited in heaven.
They point to John 9:1-5 a lot here
February 5, 2013 at 1:04 PM #52515
SimonParticipantWhat I cannot figure out if if it is Unique why did the pastor allow it?
February 5, 2013 at 2:01 PM #52516
elijahParticipantSimon wrote:
What I cannot figure out if if it is Unique why did the pastor allow it?
There are some pastors not that orthodox. Here if the leader is not korean they tend to be more human but koreans are very closed minded.
February 5, 2013 at 2:05 PM #52517
Cephas' BrotherParticipantMy opinion, they don't preach to the homeless, the sick, the incarcerated, because it's not likely that they'll profit from it. Those people aren't likely to have a ton of disposable income, and they're not likely to preach and bring in more members. So much for "mother's love" right?
February 5, 2013 at 2:22 PM #52518
elijahParticipantHere they show Malaqui 1:6 and explain how fruits is our offerings to god and we have to give best offering
<sup class=”versenum” style=”font-size: 0.75em; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: top;”>6 “A son honors his father, and a slave his master. If I am a father, where is the honor due me? If I am a master, where is the respect due me?” says the Lord Almighty.
“It is you priests who show contempt for my name.
“But you ask, ‘How have we shown contempt for your name?’
<sup class=”versenum” style=”font-size: 0.75em; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: top;”>7 “By offering defiled food on my altar.
“But you ask, ‘How have we defiled you?’
“By saying that the Lord’s table is contemptible. <sup class=”versenum” style=”font-size: 0.75em; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: top;”>8 When you offer blind animals for sacrifice, is that not wrong? When you sacrifice lame or diseased animals, is that not wrong? Try offering them to your governor! Would he be pleasedwith you? Would he accept you?” says the Lord Almighty.
<sup class=”versenum” style=”font-size: 0.75em; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: top;”>9 “Now plead with God to be gracious to us. With such offerings from your hands, will he accept you?”—says the LordAlmighty.
February 5, 2013 at 3:07 PM #52519
KFParticipantCephas' Brother wrote:
My opinion, they don't preach to the homeless, the sick, the incarcerated, because it's not likely that they'll profit from it. Those people aren't likely to have a ton of disposable income, and they're not likely to preach and bring in more members. So much for "mother's love" right?
I agree with your opinion 100%
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