[AbbaFather07]

Serious question: Why are there so many foreigners and people in the military in the Cog? Its all I see. BTW I hate the fact that the forum has been taken over by spam or whatever mumbo jumbo posts?!

[AbbaFather07]

[AbbaFather07]

Anon interesting you bring up Armstrong church. They literally have been doing OT feasts since way before the Cog even thought about it. The only difference is the didnt worship 2 Koreans. I work w a lady that belonged to Armstrong church most of her life. So I have heard 1st hand what their teachings are etc. The sad part is they are also a cult. Members would give lifesavings to church after they passed away (not to family memebers:( also they arranged marriages.

[AbbaFather07]

Also the Jews they practice Passover and worship on Saturdays. Did Cog forget about them? It makes me laugh when they think they are the only ones that di OT stuff. Its a joke!

[AbbaFather07]

Mountainmom its funny you say that about your baptism. I was absolutely devastated bc my husband was baptised in a hotel room. Its like something out of a horror movie. Im like you trusted those people to be alone with them. I never asked him the specifics bc it made me sick to my stomach. I talked to my friends about it and one of my friends brought up a good point. She said no need to worry about his soul bc he was baptized in a Deads guys name. Basically her point was thr baptism was null and void bc Ahn had no power and he is not God. Not sure if that made any sense but it gave me some comfort. Also in the beginning I literally thought my husband was studying basic Christianity. It wasnt till his personality changed and they needed all of his time that I knew it was a cult. Finding God is a joyous time not a sad and lonely getting baptized in a hotel room kind of experience. My mother in law, Father in law, husbands cousin all got baptized but they have no idea what the doctrine is. They did it bc they were asked by my brother in law. So I understand Mountainmom exactly what you are saying….exactly.

[anon7]

LOTS of people baptized into the wrong name-lots of people baptized into a wrong name (there’s lots of cults baptizing into people’s names-lots of people claiming to be Jesus by the 20th/21st century. ESPECIALLY someone who didn’t even know who ahnsahnghong was or that it was some Korean man’s name-please, God is not petty. It didn’t suddenly make them not God’s child or undo their relationship with God. It’s very clear “deceivers went out trying to trick people obey baptizing into Sahng’s name. Sahng himself was a very repentant man-he gave thanks to God at least 25 times a day. Sahng was at least one of the smartest people ever to walk the planet. SAHNG NEVER EVER HAD ANYONE BAPTIZE INTO HIS NAME WHILE HE WAS ON EARTH, he would not have allowed anyone or any member to do that! Sahng was Apollo (he’s the source of philosophy-that’s why he writes so well). But Sahng spent his ENTIRE life trying to repent, and serve God somehow. Sahng was not a bad guy-he was so nice, so kind, remarkably so. Sahng tried to use his IQ and realization for a greater good. He did spend every day praying (and meditating). He tried everything he could to keep Gil and Joo from having a large congregation. SAHNG SAID “THERE’S NO FEMALE JERUSALEM GOD,” and made sure it was on an audio sermon. Sahng wrote “JESUS’ WIFE IS NOT GOD OR MOTHER.” What more could he do? Sahng tried so hard-he knew Joo and Gil were so arrogant-you can’t be around them and not notice it. He knew Gil had a God complex that 99℅ of the population never develop or go near. He knew Joo wanted to be #1 (that’s satan’s personality). Sahng himself spent every day trying to pray and repent-he himself is not bad or a bad guy. Ahnsahnghong’s name is not Apollo’s name. When the Bible talks about Apollo (in a bad way) it’s always referring to the “son of destruction.” Apollo means destruction. Yeah Sahng ripped apart the core of Christianity and deleted God the Father in his texts (seemingly, not actually). Sahng literally destroyed Christianity book by book. (He did it to help though). He also knew wms won’t stay a church forever-every cult falls apart and loses all his members. This was very personal to Sahng (to him, he remembered a previous life-Joo was the deceiver). Sahng went all out-because to him “Joo tricked him and everyone else before.” Sahng wasn’t fighting fair-he lied like crazy, twisting every verse in the Bible. He made Joo feel #1 always… (Sahng wrote “sometimes (repentant) people transcend the veil of sin and remember the previous world.” This was an all out war to sahng. (I also remembered a previous world PRIOR to going to wms or hearing their beliefs). Sahng was fighting so dirty it’s crazy…lol. Sahng was a very repentant person-AHNSAHNGHONG IS NOT THE NAME OF APOLLYON. Joo Cheol Kim is the name of Apollyon-all this strict cult *** came from Joo and Gil, NOT SAHNG. to sahng this was a full fledged war-he didn’t care what he had to say to trick Joo. No telling how much he built up Joo’s ego. Sahng is not a bad guy, and his name is not a bad name. Sahng is not Jesus, but baptizing into his name does nothing good or bad. (Plus they were tricked into doing it-it wasn’t of their own voluntary will anyways). That would be like blaming the *** victim, when obviously it’s the attacker’s fault-every judge on earth and God knows this. Joo is the “son of destruction, son of Apollo.” Sahng is simply like the inventor of philosophy-philosophy is something not good or bad. Gil calls Joo “the #1 son basically,” like “sahng’s first born.” So God chose the term “son of destruction” to describe “the man of lawlessness” (satan) in the Bible. Destruction means Apollo. It’s not Sahng that’s the problem-Sahng remembered a “deceiver.” He was sure it was Joo (as i am also certain about it). When i remembered it prior wms, i remembered him as “an accuser-he was always accusing.” To sahng the reason he had to come to earth, live through the war etc (and why everyone was suffering) was Joo-sahng was not playing games-he didn’t care WHAT he had to delete from the Bible or add to it-he was going to trick Joo, period. (Now we see who the liar -Joo kept teaching “there’s no God the Father”). Actually sahng called Jesus the son of God repeatedly in his texts… Who is the author of Atheism, saying “don’t listen to God the Father, listen to me, obey me.” IT’S JOO! Sahng actually just never commented on God the Father in his texts…Joo was going to hear whatever he wanted anyways. Joo may want to “be” God the Father-it’s hard to tell… He did equate himself with being the Holy Spirit and being Christ in his sermons… But Joo does NOT want there to “BE” a God the Father. Joo wants to be the ultimate, supreme authority-hence he bosses everyone around, making thousands of made up rules, and he’s satan. Sahng wasn’t bad-he felt he got tricked before, but he was going to win this time…lol. he utterly destroyed Christianity concepts to do it…lol… But… He won-now Joo looks like an ediot, saying he’s the #1 Bible scholar and he says “there’s no God, Father God doesn’t exist.” Lol…

[anon7]

No, the name “Ahnsahnghong is NOT a bad or evil name (and AHNSAHNGHONG was NOT a bad or evil guy). The concepts sahng wrote were bad or evil, if taken the wrong way-Joo just misinterpreted it. JOO CHEOL KIM IS APOLLO’S NAME (APOLLYON’S NAME), he’s a bad guy, evil, a control freak, and the “bad satan” deceiver, liar, accuser, etc. If you read about Apollo-he’s just the guy who made philosophy, basically. The Bible says “the son of destruction is the man of lawlessness, man of sin, Antichrist, satan.” That’s because Joo is called “the #1 son,” “first born son” in wms. Sahng ripped Christianity off its hinges, let it fall to the ground, and hoped Joo and Gil’s congregation wouldn’t grow because he made it clear he was saying “Jerusalem is NOT a female God,” and “Jesus’ wife is NOT God or Mother.” He never wrote anything testifying to a female God. He wrote the term “spiritual Parents” one time…Paul called the early church “his children,” -so did the other apostles…wms inserts what Sahng meant by that… (It doesn’t matter what Sahng believed anyways-he wasn’t infallible-he wasn’t Jesus-he wasn’t God-he was just very philosophical. At best Sahng may have been Enoch in the Bible-MAYBE, possibly. I don’t know, I’m not sure. Maybe not-i don’t know. Everything written about it is myths anyways). So being baptized into Ahnsahnghong’s name was not a bad thing-it doesn’t matter. Sahng is actually the guy who “set up and took down satan.” We shouldn’t worship him because of it. DEFINITELY NO ONE SHOULD BAPTIZE INTO THE NAME AHNSAHNGHONG. but if people accidentally did-it’s neither good or bad, doesn’t matter-God knows the wms “prophets” tricked people, violating them through a baptism, when they had no idea what was happening or really even being said. It’s the overseers at wms that baptize who are the problem and at fault-not the victim who had no idea what was going on. Even if they were one of the SMALL percentage who knew what Ahnsahnghong’s name meant prior to baptism-it’s still not their fault. They were told they would go to hell if they didn’t do it (or go to o hell if they died that night and didn’t receive baptism that day). Book 1 chapter 9-that’s all the “wms baptism sermon” says-if you don’t baptize at wms today you might die and go to hell tomorrow.” That’s an extreme threat and extreme pressure-people can’t think straight after hearing that sometimes… The ones who it really scared (like me years ago) baptized because of the fear of going to hell…

[anon7]

@mayor i am going out to eat tonight 🙂 good suggestion. (I’ve gone out to eat several times since wms (not by myself) lol…).

[anon7]

For our anti conspiracy theory activists-have you read the Bible? Conspiracies took place in the Bible texts (and have happened on earth since… Read history-since human history lol). Daniel predicted a future conspiracy of kings (but conspiracies that the Jewish kings did are written as taken place in the Bible). Sahng is the guy “smarter than satan who made Joo reveal himself.” Joo is not that smart… He’s too busy thinking he’s the #1 chosen prophet on earth to be smart… Sahng is the guy who “tricked satan, and fed his ego to do so,” but ahnsahnghong is still not Jesus Christ. Sahng had plenty of sin… After all that lying…lol. (sahng was on earth because of his personal sin too). He was just mad as hell about it, and was taking revenge on Joo lol. Sahng was very VERY depressed on earth, he wasn’t happy a few minutes out of the day on earth (he made many comments about it) and the members repeat what he said about being depressed all the time (the leaders who knew Sahng told everyone about it lol). There’s no way Sahng didn’t have major depression disorder, with a SEVERE chemical imbalance. (That easily happens when the person’s IQ is so high-it’s actually a result of it often times). To Sahng there was no happiness on earth, nor was there ever going to be any for him in his life time. To him life was a very bleak place-he greatly hoped for Heaven… He couldn’t be happy no matter what he tried (not really). He gave up on that or the pursuit of happiness. He simply spent all his time trying to trick Joo-in his writings, etc, and boosting Joo’s ego, making him worse lol. Joo would have thought he was the #1 guy on the planet without anyone saying a word to him-it’s called the “satan complex.” Lol. Actually it’s a personality disorder… Joo thinks he works harder than everyone. (Gil thinks she works harder than everyone). Doing what? Lying? Lol… Everyone on earth who has an ACTUAL job works harder than Joo or Gil. They talk about Gil’s sacrifice fasting. All that fasting was STUPID to do-it ruined her body-that’s why she couldn’t take care of anyone. Joo gives like 90℅ of the sermons (probably because she prayed on her knees so much). She stupidly ruined her knee caps and had to get surgery for it. THAT’S NOT SACRIFICE, THAT’S STUPIDITY. she probably almost can’t stand up and give sermons, not often… Because of her knees… That’s her fault for ruining her body like that. (She never teaches members to take care of their body, eat or sleep right). Joo practically taught wms members to eat McDonald’s hamburgers, saying he ate one when he came to the USA. I was SO enraged to hear that. You could not pay me ANY amount of money to eat a McDonald’s hamburger. No one who’s seen the videos about them online would eat them either…i haven’t eaten a McDonald’s hamburger in years because i knew not to… Wms says “we’re going to heaven soon anyways so you can drink soda and eat mc Donald hamburgers…” I was angry about that the whole time i was in there… (No one was going to listen to me because “Gil and Joo said it’s ok.” …). I’ve studied lots of things-health was one of them… I thought “Gil just can’t tell them no… So she gives them soda etc.” Could wms members see the conspiracy which was Sahng trying to trick and reveal Joo… Sahng was not a bad guy. He was what we call a “bad boy.” He wasn’t going to lose this match on earth-he didn’t care if he said there was no God or 100 Gods-he didn’t care. Joo was the reason he was miserable. You’ll often hear wms leaders say “so what if there were 5 or 10 Gods, so what.” That was something Sahng said-they got that from him. Sahng’s point was not God-he lied, said opposite opposing things-it’s all over this site on his sermons… His point was to make Joo look like an ediot and show he’s the “deceiver.”

[Mayor and Mike]

You went out to eat? Oh that's good. I hope you feel happy. 

[anon7]

@mayor Yeah twas fun. Lately I’ve been myself again-laughing, having fun, enjoying life. I think it was taking to you all that helped (i was very isolated). The friends i have are very busy/ …i didn’t have many people to talk to at all…at all

[anon7]

Mayor thx… I’m very happy lately… Not depressed. And i caught back up on sleep. Not too tired. 🙂

[Mayor and Mike]

Im glad to hear that.  That's good you are feeling better. 🙂

[anon7]

Mayor, i said i would pm you i think, but forgot what about… lol