[KF]

Here is a church that also celebrates all of God's feast, so why would wms claim that they are the only true church, because they alone celebrate all the feast of God.  According to this they are not the only one who follow God's commands.

 http://www.ucg.org/booklet/fundamental-beliefs/festivals-god/

 

and here is a list of the dates of the feast, including the Passover

 http://www.ucg.org/holy-day-calendar/

 

So many different churches and religions all around the world,  I have so many questions,

I just can't understand  If there is one body, which is the right one? And why are we not all of the

same mind?

which brings me to the conclusion that God's true church is not here yet, because according to revelation all will worship the beast.

🙁

 

[Elievalkyrie]

[Elievalkyrie]

WMS brother wrote:

"why would wms claim that they are the only true church,"

To be even more specific, because perhaps ir wasn't clear what "keeping" a feast means;

We are the only true church because we are the only one to follow all of the Feasts -CORRECTLY-.

 

The TRUE church is not based on works but on TRUE faith. You are still trying to live in the Old Testament times where people are still enslaved with law and people needed to follow it or else be killed/punished but the fact is when Jesus died, He made it so that you are saved through faith in HIM, not by good works or by following feasts and offerings.

And what did Paul say about people who still concentrate in following the old laws?

Galatians 4:9

"But now that you know God–or rather are known by God–how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again?"

Faith without work is dead but it was never stated that if you don't work then you will NEVER enter the kingdom. (Rom. 3:28-30, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.) Even though you sin, you are still justified because of your faith (Rom. 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,") Rom. 10:4, "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes." 

There is still so many biblical verse for that but the fact is the Bible specifically stated that we are saved by GRACE (unmerited favor from God) through FAITH and it is not by works because as stated in Rom. 11:6, "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."

[WMS brother]

"The TRUE church is not based on works"

It is very clearly written that faith without action is empty. You do indeed have to take the actions instructed to you, assuming a belief in Christ, who in addition to that also commanded us to follow his every example.

And the Apostles, who instructed us to follow their every example. Which implies also following their many works.

You need faith, AND action, together. You cannot neglect one or the other. Works alone do not make the true church. Faith alone does not either. You need Both. That is New Testament.

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Christ says that those who DO NOT eat his flesh and drink his blood will have no life in them.

That is where the Grace of the person you are quoting ends, in his own words.

Yes, there are works you are expected to do.

[Elievalkyrie]

WMS brother wrote:

"The TRUE church is not based on works"

It is very clearly written that faith without action is empty. You do indeed have to take the actions instructed to you, assuming a belief in Christ, who in addition to that also commanded us to follow his every example.

And the Apostles, who instructed us to follow their every example. Which implies also following their many works.

You need faith, AND action, together. You cannot neglect one or the other. Works alone do not make the true church. Faith alone does not either. You need Both. That is New Testament.

You also have the same teachings with the Roman Catholic Church that you condemned. They also taught that faith plus good works saves you when the bible says otherwise.

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Christ says that those who DO NOT eat his flesh and drink his blood will have no life in them.

The Lord's Supper is a Sacrament given by God. There are two sacraments that God gave, The Baptism and the Lord's Supper. Doing these sacrament is the sure sign of your faith.

That is where the Grace of the person you are quoting ends, in his own words.

Yes, there are works you are expected to do.

There are  works that MAN expected you to do but God never needed any of it. 

[WMS brother]

"Doing these sacrament is the sure sign of your faith."

So you agree with me then that some works, like keeping such a Feast, is necessary.

 

[Elievalkyrie]

Nope, I don't agree at all. I said the baptism and the Lord's Supper is the sure sign of faith. It's like a brand, a seal that says you are God's people. But a sign is just a sign. Without the sign, faith can still exist. They don't go hand in hand. Works are signs of faith only, it is needed by man so that others may glorify God (Matthew 5:16) but God doesn't need it from you just so He would save you. Coz if God base salvation on your works, then that means faith by grace (unmerited favor from God) is wrong. The Old Testament laws weren't made to save us, it was made so that people would indeed sin and the more the laws there is, the more the people sin. The laws were made so that sin would increase but due to that, God's grace increases also (Romans 5:20). So when the appointed time came, Jesus was sent holy and blameless, and He was punished in behalf of the sinners so that ALL the sins of believers are forgiven, past present and future. That is how you are saved through faith. You just have to believe that what Jesus did was enough to save you. I predict your next question would be: Then does that means that it is okay to keep on sinning since God will forgive us anyway? No. That is exactly the issue that Paul addressed in Romans 6.