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- February 10, 2013 at 4:51 AM#7119KFParticipant
Here is a church that also celebrates all of God's feast, so why would wms claim that they are the only true church, because they alone celebrate all the feast of God. According to this they are not the only one who follow God's commands.
http://www.ucg.org/booklet/fundamental-beliefs/festivals-god/
and here is a list of the dates of the feast, including the Passover
http://www.ucg.org/holy-day-calendar/
So many different churches and religions all around the world, I have so many questions,
I just can't understand If there is one body, which is the right one? And why are we not all of the
same mind?
which brings me to the conclusion that God's true church is not here yet, because according to revelation all will worship the beast.
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- February 10, 2013 at 6:43 AM #53031
Sarah2013ParticipantDo you guys understand whether these feast ought to be celebrated today or not? Shouldn’t that be the question?
February 10, 2013 at 6:43 AM #53032
Sarah2013ParticipantKF nothing against you, dear. I am curious.
February 10, 2013 at 7:03 AM #53033
ElievalkyrieParticipantIt is in my opinion that you don't have to be in a particular church to be saved. Just read the bible, understand what it says and follow it with faith and love of God. The question is, if you (in your opinion) followed the commands of God as much as you can, does this give you the right to condemn and judge other people? No, absolutely not and the religions that practice and encourage that kind of behavior is not a very good Christ example.
February 10, 2013 at 9:53 AM #53034
SimonParticipantthey hold a different feast calendar at ucg than wmscog
February 10, 2013 at 4:18 PM #53035
gennyParticipantSimon wrote:
they hold a different feast calendar at ucg than wmscog
I haven't been able to compare yet, but can you tell us what you noticed was different?
February 10, 2013 at 7:14 PM #53036
Love'n HoneyParticipantElievalkyrie wrote:
It is in my opinion that you don't have to be in a particular church to be saved. Just read the bible, understand what it says and follow it with faith and love of God. The question is, if you (in your opinion) followed the commands of God as much as you can, does this give you the right to condemn and judge other people? No, absolutely not and the religions that practice and encourage that kind of behavior is not a very good Christ example.
I was told in WMSCOG that we don't judge people, the Scripture judges them. All we're doing is reading the Scripture that judges them. If they weren't guilty, they wouldn't feel judged.
February 10, 2013 at 10:01 PM #53037
SimonParticipantgenny wrote:
Simon wrote:
they hold a different feast calendar at ucg than wmscog
I haven't been able to compare yet, but can you tell us what you noticed was different?
I posted about this before but
WMSCOG UCG
Passover Passover (Same)
Unleavened Bread Unleavened Bread (same)
First Fruits Nothing (different)
Pentecost Pentecost (same)
Feast of Trumpets Feast of trumpets (same)
Day of Atonement Day of Atonement (same)
Feast of Tabernacles Feast of Tabernacles (same)
Nothing Greatest Day (different)
whih we could make tables here :
February 10, 2013 at 10:08 PM #53038
JoshuaParticipantSarah2013 wrote:
Do you guys understand whether these feast ought to be celebrated today or not? Shouldn't that be the question?
Paul spoke in Gal. about the feast and times. His words were, "we have no such traditions." For this group to focus so heavily on Gal. to support their mother god theory I don't understand how they can gloss over this. None of them have been able to give me an acceptable answer for this.
February 10, 2013 at 10:21 PM #53039
SimonParticipantWhat verse?
February 10, 2013 at 10:30 PM #53040
KFParticipantSimon wrote:
genny wrote:
Simon wrote:
they hold a different feast calendar at ucg than wmscog
I haven't been able to compare yet, but can you tell us what you noticed was different?
I posted about this before but
WMSCOG UCG
Passover Passover (Same)
Unleavened Bread Unleavened Bread (same)
First Fruits Nothing (different)
Pentecost Pentecost (same)
Feast of Trumpets Feast of trumpets (same)
Day of Atonement Day of Atonement (same)
Feast of Tabernacles Feast of Tabernacles (same)
Nothing Greatest Day (different)
whih we could make tables here :
Looks like the UCOG celebrates firstfruits but it is listed under pentecost, see below;
The Feast of Pentecost is an annual Sabbath in late spring in the northern hemisphere. Also called the Feast of Weeks or the Feast of Harvest or Firstfruits, it teaches us that Jesus Christ is now building His Church, comprising those who are a "kind of firstfruits" in the spiritual harvest of mankind, having the "firstfruits of the Spirit" (Exodus 23:16And the feast of harvest, the firstfruits of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field: and the feast of ingathering, which is in the end of the year, when thou hast gathered in thy labours out of the field.
As far as the UCOG they celebrate the Greatest day, while WMS celebrates ASCENSION DAY
February 10, 2013 at 10:33 PM #53041
SimonParticipantAscension day isn't one of the 7 in 3 from leviticus 23
February 10, 2013 at 10:34 PM #53042
SimonParticipantbut the fact is they use a different feast calendar regardless of is they double up
February 10, 2013 at 10:41 PM #53043
KFParticipantSimon wrote:
Ascension day isn't one of the 7 in 3 from leviticus 23
oh i thought you might have been thinking that the greatest day from the UCOG was not in the bible, that's why i brang up ascension day from the WMS…(as per your chart) God did not command to celebrate that one either, but they do.
February 10, 2013 at 10:46 PM #53044
SimonParticipantTechnically the greatest day doesn't exist as its own modeim seperate from Tabernacles, (or booths as properly translated) and the wave offering and fifty days later are also not seperated making both feast calendars suspect.
February 10, 2013 at 10:49 PM #53045
KFParticipantSarah2013 wrote:
Do you guys understand whether these feast ought to be celebrated today or not? Shouldn't that be the question?
Sarah, I don't know…. that's what I want to know…..when my friend gave me some lessons it made sense, he told me and showed me from the bible how Jesus said he did not come to abolish but to fullfill the law.
I'm also still confuse on the Sabbath vs. Sunday, but now I'm more to sabbath because it's in the commandments. I would have to see bible verses that would say other wise.
when I read in here i can see Genny's point of view, ELi's & Joshua, but I'm still searching until it feels right for me. Regardless of the WMS it's what I see in the bible, not because they say it.
What is your P.O.V on the sabbath & feast Sarah?
February 10, 2013 at 10:53 PM #53046
KFParticipantSimon wrote:
Technically the greatest day doesn't exist as its own modeim seperate from Tabernacles, (or booths as properly translated) and the wave offering and fifty days later are also not seperated making both feast calendars suspect.
So this Church is also wrong, correct?
but WMS had it packed down, except for the time they celebrated the P.O. on the 8th month? correct, this was the big slip up?
February 10, 2013 at 10:56 PM #53047
SimonParticipantWell feast of Trumpets atonement and tabernacles in the eighth month yeah
February 11, 2013 at 2:28 AM #53048
WMS brotherParticipant"why would wms claim that they are the only true church,"
To be even more specific, because perhaps ir wasn't clear what "keeping" a feast means;
We are the only true church because we are the only one to follow all of the Feasts -CORRECTLY-.
Other churches do not celebrate on the same days we do. Nor do they keep all the 5 am services in church for weeks sometimes during feasts, or keep saturday. Maybe they do some of it, but don't wear the veil? Maybe they do the passover but don't do the feetwashing ceremony? Other churches will have -something- about them that is different than us, because they are different than us.
Ergo if different churches are different, and we are the only ones practicing everything down the minute detail perfectly, we are correct to proclaim that we believe that we are the true church.
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Concerning the feasts.
Make a list of the ones kept by Jesus.
Make a note of what Jesus said to do about it (hint, Jesus said the word "everything").
Make a list of the ones kept by the Apostles.
Make a note of what the Apostles said to do about it (hint, reference "this same passover" and "I follow the example of christ")
Make a list of the feasts of God which were changed in history.
Make a note of the different way the Early Church was -actually- doing things, because they had tob e doing something in order to prompt a change in the Law. (Hint: They didn't want "Christians" to "Judiaze" on the "Sabbath", because they were. Reference Jesus and also Apostle Paul.)
February 11, 2013 at 2:38 AM #53049
SimonParticipantWhere did Jesus keep the feast of trumpets or day of atonement?
February 11, 2013 at 5:37 AM #53050
ElievalkyrieParticipantrenita.payno wrote:
Elievalkyrie wrote:
It is in my opinion that you don't have to be in a particular church to be saved. Just read the bible, understand what it says and follow it with faith and love of God. The question is, if you (in your opinion) followed the commands of God as much as you can, does this give you the right to condemn and judge other people? No, absolutely not and the religions that practice and encourage that kind of behavior is not a very good Christ example.
I was told in WMSCOG that we don't judge people, the Scripture judges them. All we're doing is reading the Scripture that judges them. If they weren't guilty, they wouldn't feel judged.
Yes, my brother also gave that B/S to me. "I did not say it, the bible said it". Then if you throw it back at them, they get angry.
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