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  • #7119
    KF
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    Here is a church that also celebrates all of God's feast, so why would wms claim that they are the only true church, because they alone celebrate all the feast of God.  According to this they are not the only one who follow God's commands.

     http://www.ucg.org/booklet/fundamental-beliefs/festivals-god/

     

    and here is a list of the dates of the feast, including the Passover

     http://www.ucg.org/holy-day-calendar/

     

    So many different churches and religions all around the world,  I have so many questions,

    I just can't understand  If there is one body, which is the right one? And why are we not all of the

    same mind?

    which brings me to the conclusion that God's true church is not here yet, because according to revelation all will worship the beast.

    🙁

     

  • #53031

    Sarah2013
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    Do you guys understand whether these feast ought to be celebrated today or not? Shouldn’t that be the question?

    #53032

    Sarah2013
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    KF nothing against you, dear. I am curious.

    #53033

    Elievalkyrie
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    It is in my opinion that you don't have to be in a particular church to be saved. Just read the bible, understand what it says and follow it with faith and love of God. The question is, if you (in your opinion) followed the commands of God as much as you can, does this give you the right to condemn and judge other people? No, absolutely not and the religions that practice and encourage that kind of behavior is not a very good Christ example. 

    #53034

    Simon
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    they hold a different feast calendar at ucg than wmscog

    #53035

    genny
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    Simon wrote:

    they hold a different feast calendar at ucg than wmscog

    I haven't been able to compare yet, but can you tell us what you noticed was different?

    #53036

    Love'n Honey
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    Elievalkyrie wrote:

    It is in my opinion that you don't have to be in a particular church to be saved. Just read the bible, understand what it says and follow it with faith and love of God. The question is, if you (in your opinion) followed the commands of God as much as you can, does this give you the right to condemn and judge other people? No, absolutely not and the religions that practice and encourage that kind of behavior is not a very good Christ example. 

     I was told in WMSCOG that we don't judge people, the Scripture judges them. All we're doing is reading the Scripture that judges them. If they weren't guilty, they wouldn't feel judged.

    #53037

    Simon
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    genny wrote:

    Simon wrote:

    they hold a different feast calendar at ucg than wmscog

    I haven't been able to compare yet, but can you tell us what you noticed was different?

    I posted about this before but 

    WMSCOG                     UCG

    Passover                  Passover   (Same)     

    Unleavened Bread    Unleavened Bread (same)

    First Fruits                Nothing   (different)

    Pentecost                  Pentecost (same)

    Feast of Trumpets     Feast of trumpets (same)

    Day of Atonement    Day of Atonement (same)

    Feast of Tabernacles  Feast of Tabernacles (same)

    Nothing                       Greatest Day (different)

     

    whih we could make tables here :   

    #53038

    Joshua
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    Sarah2013 wrote:

    Do you guys understand whether these feast ought to be celebrated today or not? Shouldn't that be the question?

     Paul spoke in Gal. about the feast and times. His words were, "we have no such traditions." For this group to focus so heavily on Gal. to support their mother god theory I don't understand how they can gloss over this. None of them have been able to give me an acceptable answer for this.

    #53039

    Simon
    Participant

    What verse?

    #53040

    KF
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    Simon wrote:

    genny wrote:

    Simon wrote:

    they hold a different feast calendar at ucg than wmscog

    I haven't been able to compare yet, but can you tell us what you noticed was different?

    I posted about this before but 

    WMSCOG                     UCG

    Passover                  Passover   (Same)     

    Unleavened Bread    Unleavened Bread (same)

    First Fruits                Nothing   (different)

    Pentecost                  Pentecost (same)

    Feast of Trumpets     Feast of trumpets (same)

    Day of Atonement    Day of Atonement (same)

    Feast of Tabernacles  Feast of Tabernacles (same)

    Nothing                       Greatest Day (different)

     

    whih we could make tables here :   

     Looks like the UCOG celebrates firstfruits but it is listed under pentecost, see below;

     

    The Feast of Pentecost is an annual Sabbath in late spring in the northern hemisphere. Also called the Feast of Weeks or the Feast of Harvest or Firstfruits, it teaches us that Jesus Christ is now building His Church, comprising those who are a "kind of firstfruits" in the spiritual harvest of mankind, having the "firstfruits of the Spirit" (Exodus 23:16And the feast of harvest, the firstfruits of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field: and the feast of ingathering, which is in the end of the year, when thou hast gathered in thy labours out of the field.

     

    As far as the UCOG they celebrate the Greatest day, while WMS celebrates ASCENSION DAY

     

     

    #53041

    Simon
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    Ascension day isn't one of the 7 in 3 from leviticus 23

    #53042

    Simon
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    but the fact is they use a different feast calendar regardless of is they double up

    #53043

    KF
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    Simon wrote:

    Ascension day isn't one of the 7 in 3 from leviticus 23

     oh i thought you might have been thinking that the greatest day from the UCOG was not in the bible, that's why i brang up ascension day from the WMS…(as per your chart)   God did not command to celebrate that one either, but they do.

    #53044

    Simon
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    Technically the greatest day doesn't exist as its own modeim seperate from Tabernacles, (or booths as properly translated) and the wave offering and fifty days later are also not seperated making both feast calendars suspect.

    #53045

    KF
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    Sarah2013 wrote:

    Do you guys understand whether these feast ought to be celebrated today or not? Shouldn't that be the question?

     

    Sarah, I don't know…. that's what I want to know…..when my friend gave me some lessons it made sense, he told me and showed me from the bible how Jesus said he did not come to abolish but to fullfill the law.

    I'm also still confuse on the Sabbath vs. Sunday, but now I'm more to sabbath because it's in the commandments.  I would have to see bible verses that would say other wise. 

    when I read in here i can see Genny's point of view, ELi's & Joshua, but I'm still searching until it feels right for me.  Regardless of the  WMS it's what I see in the bible, not because they say it.

    What is your P.O.V on the sabbath & feast Sarah?

    #53046

    KF
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    Simon wrote:

    Technically the greatest day doesn't exist as its own modeim seperate from Tabernacles, (or booths as properly translated) and the wave offering and fifty days later are also not seperated making both feast calendars suspect.

     So this Church is also wrong, correct?

    but WMS had it packed down, except for the time they celebrated the P.O. on the 8th month? correct, this was the big  slip up?

    #53047

    Simon
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    Well feast of Trumpets atonement and tabernacles in the eighth month yeah

    #53048

    WMS brother
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    "why would wms claim that they are the only true church,"

    To be even more specific, because perhaps ir wasn't clear what "keeping" a feast means;

    We are the only true church because we are the only one to follow all of the Feasts -CORRECTLY-.

    Other churches do not celebrate on the same days we do. Nor do they keep all the 5 am services in church for weeks sometimes during feasts, or keep saturday. Maybe they do some of it, but don't wear the veil? Maybe they do the passover but don't do the feetwashing ceremony? Other churches will have -something- about them that is different than us, because they are different than us.

    Ergo if different churches are different, and we are the only ones practicing everything down the minute detail perfectly, we are correct to proclaim that we believe that we are the true church.

    Concerning the feasts.

    Make a list of the ones kept by Jesus.

    Make a note of what Jesus said to do about it (hint, Jesus said the word "everything").

    Make a list of the ones kept by the Apostles.

    Make a note of what the Apostles said to do about it (hint, reference "this same passover" and "I follow the example of christ")

    Make a list of the feasts of God which were changed in history.

    Make a note of the different way the Early Church was -actually- doing things, because they had tob e doing something in order to prompt a change in the Law. (Hint: They didn't want "Christians" to "Judiaze" on the "Sabbath", because they were. Reference Jesus and also Apostle Paul.)

    #53049

    Simon
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    Where did Jesus keep the feast of trumpets or day of atonement?

    #53050

    Elievalkyrie
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    renita.payno wrote:

    Elievalkyrie wrote:

    It is in my opinion that you don't have to be in a particular church to be saved. Just read the bible, understand what it says and follow it with faith and love of God. The question is, if you (in your opinion) followed the commands of God as much as you can, does this give you the right to condemn and judge other people? No, absolutely not and the religions that practice and encourage that kind of behavior is not a very good Christ example. 

     I was told in WMSCOG that we don't judge people, the Scripture judges them. All we're doing is reading the Scripture that judges them. If they weren't guilty, they wouldn't feel judged.

    Yes, my brother also gave that B/S to me. "I did not say it, the bible said it". Then if you throw it back at them, they get angry.

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