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Another failed prediction and another placing the blame on the church members. You haven't made enough oil? What are you all bridesmaids now? Why are you choosing to follow along with this? Haven't you been lied to enough yet? Your turn, tell us why this is anything but another bigger lie to cover up another failure?
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nah I've seen differences between you guys too lol
yes oil mean faith, and tithing is how god supposed to judge your faith, its a way to show that you are not bound with wordly stuff…. usualy they preached like that.
Joshua wrote:
Simon wrote:
Joshua wrote:
I have phyically met one of the people who decided that the Saturday Sabbath in the USA should be all day. Prior to this vote there were two or three services and members could / would usually attend one of them. This group started out with one service in the morning, then two morning services. Eventually they added an evening service for those member who had a difficult time coming to the morning services. After a few years of this they decided that the Sabbath was all day so the members should be in Zion of doing stuff for Zion all day. It seems that this was addopted by every Zion in the USA. If they're all the same in this why can't they seem to be of one mind as far as the teachings of god?
why would someone tell you this? at least someone higher up responsible for the change?
The all day WMSCOG Sabbath was not created until this group along with someone from Korea decided that it should be this was. It is a man made creation. This is one of the people I've tried to get you in contact with. There's more information among the member that have left than what people realize.
Yes but seems like no one who would be in power to make a decision would be in contact with you
I also spoke with the same member whom Joshua is referring to. He is am early member from one of the founding Zions in the USA. He told me that in the beginning there was only one Saturday service. But then some member proposed to add an evening service to accommodate people who had to work. Eventually enough time passed and the teaching became that Sabbath requirement meant all day.
if you say so
I just find it a little strange someone not in power had such authority I dunno lol
Elievalkyrie wrote:
Well…Hard to explain. Your comments just seems that way. I thought it was just me but I guess other people noticed. lol. No offense though.
I know what you mean Elie. However, I understand Simon differently.
First of all, I get the feeling that Simon's Zion was much "milder" than most others. Probably because of the lack of too much Korean influence.
Secondly, I believe that Simon wants to make sure that the WMSCOG is only blamed for the wrongs that are indisputable so that the blame sticks. He is reluctant to blame without clear evidence or just on the basis of opinions or guesswork. This way, they (wmscog) cannot use statements made on this site to proclaim "persecution" to their member who has read it.
The biggest reason why Simon comes accross this way is because he is not very articulate and uses short cryptic sentences.
My own feeling is that Simon is the ideal devil's advocate for us here.
Simon wrote:
Joshua wrote:
Simon wrote:
Joshua wrote:
I have phyically met one of the people who decided that the Saturday Sabbath in the USA should be all day. Prior to this vote there were two or three services and members could / would usually attend one of them. This group started out with one service in the morning, then two morning services. Eventually they added an evening service for those member who had a difficult time coming to the morning services. After a few years of this they decided that the Sabbath was all day so the members should be in Zion of doing stuff for Zion all day. It seems that this was addopted by every Zion in the USA. If they're all the same in this why can't they seem to be of one mind as far as the teachings of god?
why would someone tell you this? at least someone higher up responsible for the change?
The all day WMSCOG Sabbath was not created until this group along with someone from Korea decided that it should be this was. It is a man made creation. This is one of the people I've tried to get you in contact with. There's more information among the member that have left than what people realize.
Yes but seems like no one who would be in power to make a decision would be in contact with you
That's not true, the church always kept morning and afternoon services, The evening services started in the early 90's even before the first missionaries came to the states. He has info mixed up or has some misunderstanding.
not gonna say you’re lying Joshua . it would be strange fit them not to have always been all day remember the Sabbath DAY but I dunno. do we know how ncpcog does it?
my understanding was 9 and 3 was always 8 was added around when mother was “revealed”
Joshua wrote:
I have phyically met one of the people who decided that the Saturday Sabbath in the USA should be all day. Prior to this vote there were two or three services and members could / would usually attend one of them. This group started out with one service in the morning, then two morning services. Eventually they added an evening service for those member who had a difficult time coming to the morning services. After a few years of this they decided that the Sabbath was all day so the members should be in Zion of doing stuff for Zion all day. It seems that this was addopted by every Zion in the USA. If they're all the same in this why can't they seem to be of one mind as far as the teachings of god?
this is TRUE. Ahn originally tought 1st and 2nd service only. It was changed later to add "more blessings" or more tithing…
Well what I was talking about was about Korea. Just as Simon said 9 and 3 were regular and 8 was added by Mother, for the reason of male adults having to work on sat. The Korean Missionaries who were the first to start in LA (LA Pastor, Chicago Pastor and NY Pastor) kept services all day as they did in Korea but most likely the American brothers who were just beginning probably weren't pushed to keep it all day because the missionaries probably were think they wouldn't be able to handle it and would stop coming. If the Korean Missionaries did not keep all day, they would loose their positions as leaders and would most likely be made just a regular member. That kind of thing is not tolerated by the church.
longhaul wrote:
Well what I was talking about was about Korea. Just as Simon said 9 and 3 were regular and 8 was added by Mother, for the reason of male adults having to work on sat. The Korean Missionaries who were the first to start in LA (LA Pastor, Chicago Pastor and NY Pastor) kept services all day as they did in Korea but most likely the American brothers who were just beginning probably weren't pushed to keep it all day because the missionaries probably were think they wouldn't be able to handle it and would stop coming. If the Korean Missionaries did not keep all day, they would loose their positions as leaders and would most likely be made just a regular member. That kind of thing is not tolerated by the church.
Good point. The way the church works, theres no way a member would even be able to suggest that and get taken seriously.
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