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Hi, I read so much & have lingered around everywhere concerning the wmscog and my conclusion is that we must love and wait..
Eventually they have to see and realize for themselves.. But, I ask former members if someone could have said something to make you question the “truth” what would it have been?
Or is it just random at how people spot things or see lies in the cog!? I’m a wife with a husband in for 2 years.. At first it was they are all about families and such.. Now my husband is giving me scriptures of because I’m the unbeliever I can go.. I have faith that he will be out eventually.. But I’m wondering if there was something I could of planted in the beginning or even now that would help plant a seed and make him wonder!!? Thanks in advance..
Hi Warrior Queen. Im convinced nothing can bring a member out, unless he/she already has deep concerns or doubts. For me, it was alot of things, little by little. It depends on your husband. Has he expressed doubt to you? Is he a title holder (deacon, group or team leader)¿
Some folks have admitted to me that my revelation about how there cannot be a god the mother helped bring them out. It's not a one size fits all solution for getting people out but it may help. Here's the basics of it: The WMSCOG teaches that everything has a father and a mother. (Not true but that's what they teach.) We have a physical father and mother and so we must have a spiritual father and mother. (So far it sounds nice if not reasonable.) Lets think about what the Bible says and how this theory fits in. Their so called mother is supposedly the bride of the lamb. 1) God creates everything 2) Elohim is plural for "God" according to their theory. 3) Let us make them in our own image. And God made man and woman. 4) There must be a father god and a mother god as they reason it. Here's where it falls appart! God the father and god the mother make and create everything. They are a couple. (The origional couple.) Jesus is the Son of God. They have no argument with this. Wait, the mother is the bride of the lamb and Jesus is the Lamb of God according to God's Word! So the mother is going to cheat on the father and marry the son? That's incest! Would God be involved with any of this? NO WAY!
Many times the WMSCOG will try and backtrack and redirect this story. They use the story of Abraham and Sarah as a representation of their supposed god the father and god the mother. This becomes an even more twisted version as you'll see for yourself. Haggar is their servant and anyone who does not believe in their version of things are represented as children of this slave woman. Here goes the story; God the mother tells god the father to cheat on her and sleep with her servant/slave Haggar. Would God ever make this kind of request? Would God ever do this? The obvious answers to these question are NO! There god the father does it. After Haggar is with child Sarah (god the mother) also is with child. This would be the promissed one, the Son of God. Here we go again with the idea that god the mother is the bride of the son. Sarah is supposed to leave Abraham and marry their son? Incest again folks! No possible way!
Either way you try and make this story work it is filled with holes and would NEVER be participated in by the God of the Bible. The WMSCOG's creation of their theory has no real foundation and is basically what would come out of the south end of a north bound camel.
I hope this helps shake up whoever needs to be woken out of this groups trickery.
Isn't there a study where they refer to "Mother God" as the "Red Heifer" from the Bible? If so, that is a little ridiculous since a heifer is a cow that never had a calf. Didn't Mother have 2 children? Lol! Correct me if I am wrong, but I grew up on a dairy farm, so I think I have it right.
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Isn't there a study where they refer to "Mother God" as the "Red Heifer" from the Bible? If so, that is a little ridiculous since a heifer is a cow that never had a calf. Didn't Mother have 2 children? Lol! Correct me if I am wrong, but I grew up on a dairy farm, so I think I have it right.
Another point is that the red heifer was used as a sacrifice for sin. Jesus was the last sacrifice to cover our sins. This idea that she is the red heifer spits right in the face of Jesus. It might also be good to point out that the WMSCOG believes that Ahn is the second coming of Jesus. Their red heifer mother spits on their second coming of Christ. Their doctrine doesn't add up! When I have garbage in my house I throw it out!
@Warrior. As far as the, Red Heifer prophecy goes; A heifer is a cow that has never given birth to a calf, like Mountain Mom stated.. Zhang has physical children, which is asinine because she had relations with her creation, then, since all of her physical children are not in WMS, she had a child only to condemn it to hell?
@Warrior I cant honestly say I have an answer. I left on October od 15′. And Ive learnes that loving your moved one works well. My mom didnt argue with us. She expressed her concerns but stayed with us. Members are literally brainwashed….they are told layer after layer of lie, to keep them from leaving. I was recently in a back and forth with a member online. He accused another exmember and myself of working for a church rival to Wms, and when I told him that waa foolish, he pretended I was lying. See how deep the rabbit hole goes? I learned recently that arguing is futile. Of he is ever open to hearing my story, PM me.
@Warrior He would have to, and I wouldnt do it to debate. If he wants to hear my experiences, things Ive seen etc..Im MORE than willing. But, I have recently learned that arguing with them is futile. Its like debating Fruit Loops to Apple Jacks…you like one, I like the other.The question for me would be “What” he would be willing to talk to me about. Im definately NO cult expert. Exmembers we spoke to, helped us with their experiences and the similarities in our issues, gave me a good understanding that they were very sincere. Yeah anybody “could” be lying…but when you don’t want to see the truth, then it seems like EVERYBODY is lying
@Warrior. I had many, the first sunstantial doubt was the Ron Ramos video, them, the video explaining The, “Problems with the New Jerusalem” book. When I saw the video with Ron, I could tell it was edited in a way to twist his words. We watched a version made by the church, and it had dramatic musice added, etc. When I left, and watched the ENTIRE unedited version my suspicions were correct. It was nearly 12min. Longer.
Secondly when we were told about ASH book claiming there was No Heavenly Mother, I remember thinking, “Why can’t we read it?”. If God wanted to share all his “truth”, why would he hide one book? The excused the also gave, sounded insane;
A woman found ASH notebook, claimed to be Mother God, And Ahn didnt know this would happen? Then to cover it up, God had to publish a book, stating, “THERE IS NO MOTHER GOD”. Now, realizing thats a lie, they tell you, “Father had to do this to save us”. So God allowed himself to foresee a situatiom he could have prevented, then goes against his own Commands, LIES, then justifies the lie by saying thats what needed to be done for salvation? That was a huge thing that stayed with me, and many little things then made it easy, and I left
The only reason Members believe Hassan is trying to sell his book, is because they made it seem that way in their (Wms) video. The reality is this, Capitalism is what it is. I honestly and personally don’t deny Hassan plugged his book, Dipak Chopra plugs his own books. WMS charges hundreds of Dollars for their Elohim Academy. The first one we had, we paid a big sum of money to do bible seminar. It was still even in our Branch church, and nothing was different. If I have a 1hr book club in my house on Saturdays that you and others attend, then I charge you 200$ for an All day book club, reading the SAME book,…well, that would seem very “Capitslistic” right? Doesnt WMS suing a former member for 20Million dollars (facts) seem Capitalistic? Just a thought.
you are a traitor and a harlot warrior queen you will fall
praise Zang gil jah GOD the Mother
untouchable j you will die a horrible death rust in peace
GOD THE MOTHER says your goose is cooked ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
GOD the mother says warrior queen your a dirty slut whore
praise zang gil jah
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