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So nice to be back.
Actually if someone hacked them they’d probably win a suit
Yeah hacking is still against the law. Let's leave that as a tactic that only they would use…..
x wms brother wrote:
Yeah hacking is still against the law. Let's leave that as a tactic that only they would use…..
Agreed.
Sarah2013 wrote:
Didn't Jesus dine with Iscariot all the while knowing he would betray him? He actually knew it would happen. How about Peter who denied him three times? Yet, making a conscious effort for Peter to know he had risen. Now that is real love. I'm sure you get my point. 😉 so to say positions were filled as in they didn't matter, continue to prove a lot of claims here. Just saying.
Jesus didn't reveal Judas until the moment he wanted him to fulfill the prophecy thats why he let him stick around, also Jesus told him to go and do what he was about to.. And Peter was chosen from eternity to lead the early Church and the denying christ was also meant to happen so he would have a stronger devotion and faith. Diane and Ron r not the same as Peter, nice try but try to understand the bible and situation before using them.
Here is something that actually fits.
Acts 5:1 Aneneas and saphira, killed for not putting in their full share after selling their house.
You know that everyone in the province of Asia has me, including Phygelus and Hermogenes.
Deserters must be revealed to the members.
Interesting thread.
Am I to understand that Jesus from 2000 years ago associated himself with tax collectors, while Jesus in present time (allegedly) hacks modern day tax collectors websites?
Talk about identifying by actions….Jesus 1 befriends while Jesus 2 allegedly (important word to be used with emphasis) hacks websites and files lawsuits. Quite the contrast. Duly noted.
MountainMom wrote:
Yes, I figured they were really out in force trying to fill the seats. Especially in the Reseda branch. Of course, I believe it was FTOS who said that they filled up the spots left by Ron Ramos and Diane Sims right away, no problem. It struck me as a pretty callous comment to make, like their long term commitment to the wmscog meant nothing. Like, who cares about them now, since they aren't in here anymore? Really, like they didn't matter after all the time, money, recruiting, and devotion they put in?
I think any current member should take a good long look at how Ron and Diane have been treated since their departure. They were revered, now that they can no longer be used, they are villified and also treated as though their efforts, time, money, and devotion never happened. Treated exactly like tools that were used, and then discarded when no longer useful. Hmmm……….. Could this also be the fate of the members they have now? I believe that no one stays in a high demand group like this forever. Best to look at this closely now rather than stay too long.
Yea try telling this to the people who's been in the church since 1970's or even the early 80's. hundereds of people.
Calous comment? If leaving was all they did we would pray for them and call them and try to get them to comeback if that didn't work we would just pray for them. But Leaving and then joining the devil is totally different subject. Nice try covering for them MM. Also we all are tools, we are tools of God. If god sees fit to discard thats his will.
yes questioninginla please note it, its just like you and everyone else here, to again, put blame without proof on the wms. Do you have the name of the hacker?no do you have an Ip addresse? no do you have any evidence? again NO wow you see a pattern here.
FTOS: you can’t teach an old dog(not you) new tricks. I know exactly what Jesus did, you missed the whole point. Secondly, why are YOU taking offence.
fromtheotherside wrote:
But Leaving and then joining the devil is totally different subject.
Sounds like Islam. One can leave, but faces trial as an apostate – punishable by death. Recruiting others to leave Islam? A certain torture and/or death in countries like Iran (in the news with the imprisonment of christian pastors). Good thing this is the US….or are we not talking Islam here?
Or is this some other religion we're talking about in which there is no excuse to leave, ever?
fromtheotherside wrote:
yes questioninginla please note it, its just like you and everyone else here, to again, put blame without proof on the wms. Do you have the name of the hacker?no do you have an Ip addresse? no do you have any evidence? again NO wow you see a pattern here.
Hence the word "allegedly".
Give me a break, will ya? I'm learning. Stuff like….
how Jesus referred to himself in the 3rd person so much in the New Testament.
how Jesus socialized with tax-collecting apostates, but now makes sure that no one associates with them.
how Jesus 1 taught questioning authority and traditions was healthly behavior, but the organization of Jesus 2 doesn't seem to be so keen with it.
I'm just trying to make those connections, and reach an understanding. Perhaps you can help me with that because I'm a believer in Jesus Christ.
The WMSCOG says test the spirit….. just don't test ours because if you test ours that means you have doubt and you shouldn't have doubt in F&M.
fromtheotherside wrote:
yes questioninginla please note it, its just like you and everyone else here, to again, put blame without proof on the wms. Do you have the name of the hacker?no do you have an Ip addresse? no do you have any evidence? again NO wow you see a pattern here.
You seem to have the answers to your own questions. How do you know those answers?
Am I the only one with this short story running through my head?
(cuts to scene of FTOS back at headquarters, talking to pastor)
FTOS: When Jesus came 2000 years ago and was about to die on the cross, why did he scream out "Father", when we learn here He is Father? How can he be both when he said that only the Father knows the time and date, but not the Son?
Pastor: Father brought us Passover. He also brought us the new name, and the bride. No one else has done this.
FTOS: Ok, thanks.
Believe me, you are not the only one! The member who has a question runs back to the pastor with it, and then accepts whatever lame excuse for the contradiction that they are given.
Actually, the answer I was given was that everything Jesus did was an example. In the Age of the Father, God acted as a father should. He set the rules of His house and He punished His children if they disobeyed. But in the Age of the Son, He is giving us the example of how to be children of God. On the cross, He asked "My Lord, my Lord, why have you forsaken me?" because there will be times in our life when we might feel like God has forsaken us. His suffering on the cross and His persecution leading up to His death shows us the troubles we might face as the children of the true Elohim God. Everything He did was perfect to show us how to be sons and daughters of God as He was the Son of God.
Same here plus quoting psalm 22
MountainMom wrote:
Yes, I figured they were really out in force trying to fill the seats. Especially in the Reseda branch. Of course, I believe it was FTOS who said that they filled up the spots left by Ron Ramos and Diane Sims right away, no problem. It struck me as a pretty callous comment to make, like their long term commitment to the wmscog meant nothing. Like, who cares about them now, since they aren't in here anymore? Really, like they didn't matter after all the time, money, recruiting, and devotion they put in?
I think any current member should take a good long look at how Ron and Diane have been treated since their departure. They were revered, now that they can no longer be used, they are villified and also treated as though their efforts, time, money, and devotion never happened. Treated exactly like tools that were used, and then discarded when no longer useful. Hmmm……….. Could this also be the fate of the members they have now? I believe that no one stays in a high demand group like this forever. Best to look at this closely now rather than stay too long.
Have many people left the Resda church? When I left, there were so many members there that there were hardly enough seats for everyone. But I know of at least three people who left when Deaconness Diane and Missionary Ron did.
A few times, I wanted to go back, just to see how the church currently looked. Fortunately, I talked myself out of that. I don't feel comfortable going there, if I'm doing so for the wrong reasons. But gosh, am I curious!
Anybody who leaves the church is treated poorly. I understand the mentality because I was completely emersed in it at once. I would even pray for those who had "fallen" away. But we were taught not to contact them. There was one teaching that went something like, "do not follow those who have run out of oil (faith)." I think that's why.
But yes, its very telling. It's always sad when you realized the love in that church was not true love. It's all conditional, and they don't really care about your phsyical state of being. Also, as members are not supposed to hang out with each other outside of church. So we were basically told not to call or talk to anyone unless it had something to do with Zion. So basically, if someone doesn't attend anymore, and they have no interest of attending again, then the members feel that they don't have any reason to contact them. I'm not saying I agree with it, because I don't. But I understand it, becuase I used to think like that when I was a member.
But yeah, it does make me mad when I hear people say bad things about Missionary Ron. He was sincere, genuine, compassionate and very loyal. So was Deaconness Diane. But the wmscog has to tarnish their reputation in order to keep their current members.
Liberty wrote
It's always sad when you realized the love in that church was not true love.
How can it be after all Love displayed was so artificial “with two hands going over the head forming the shape of a heart and screaming on top of their voice –We love you, We love You” It all appears more like mother Kids Nursery.
Though repeated over and over again yet these once so loved bro/sis there are so easily forgotten. Isn't that a pity??
Did Jesus had to show his love this way???
I used to feel so goofy doing that. It all never felt natural. Man! The real presence of God I doubt we can phantom. I know Zhang and Ahang can’t be true God. I feel this deep down my soul. The real God’s presence, especially in this last days will emanate. Money won’t even be an issue.
Sarah I am so glad you are out from this madness. I used to get a headache when I was told to watch these videos and would somehow find an excuse to get out of there. They were so noisy and it was like some kind of protest going on in a street.
I think they both (angs) are not even worthy to be associated with the word "GOD" and will have a big price to pay for ruining the souls of many innocent ones
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