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  • #49100

    LUV
    Participant

    How ironic it is that they say this, but everyone here feels the opposite.

     http://usa.watv.org/truth/sermon/content.asp?idx=1057&rightpage=12

    #49101

    Joshua
    Participant

    LUV, I have spent a good deal of time reading through many of the WMSCOG's sermons. Everytime I feel in my spirit as if I've done something wrong or I've been infected by evil somehow. The term GIGO comes to mind. Garbage in = Garbage out. I am constantly amazed at how this group quotes the Bible about the Pharasies binding people with the law. Making people slaves to works and then they place all sorts of requirements on their members. Bearing ten talents, producing fruits, keeping the Passover only how they do it, keeping all of the old testiment feast and times. These modern day Pharasies do nothing but keep people from a true relationship with God. This cult keeps its members so busy with teachings, chores, talents, all the while instilling fear in them that everyone is out to steal the truth from them. I want to encourage you to do something. I'm not sure if you are a member of this group or not and I don't know how strong you are in Gods Word. Unless you can break these studies down and show yourself how deceptive these teachings are, stop going to this cults websites and bringing this garbage into your life. Feel free to PM me anytime and I can help you break down some of the things you have already been exposed to. Stay in Gods Word, if what is being taught doesn't match up to the Word of God then throw it out with the rest of the garbage. Keep your faith in the one who sacrificed himself for you. He is the one who deserves your love.

    #49102

    LUV
    Participant

    Thank you for your time & words Joshua, I am currently an on & off member, I feel so lost & empty inside, my spirit is in distress, I believe the things they teach to a certain point, but then when I come here I can see the other side of the road.  I am in tears right now pleading God to guide me towards the truth, to forgive me if my thoughts are wrong in any way.

    I always taught that God' true church should not be forced upon you, that when you are in the true church you will feel the love, compassion, understanding.  Sometimes when I don't understand something, the way they express themselves makes me feel like I don't belong there.  What I mean by the church being force upon you is like this, the pastor always says leave all your troubles outside of zion, in here you are to be joyful, everyone in zion is always joyful.

    I'm sorry to say, that it is not true, many times even if I leave the bagage outside, when I leave I have to pick it up, you can't force me to pretend I am happy when deep inside I am so sad, because you are making feel as if something is wrong with me and I don't belong.  I feel like the Black sheep of the family.

    Where is the love and understanding & the compassion that I need to overcome, you are killing my spirit with your harsh words, this is why I come and go, but I'm so tired of it, something has got to give. 

    The reason I stay is because of the sabbath & feast, like Renita said, but when I'm feeling pinned, I just don't go to zion, but then I feel terrible because God said remeber the sabbath.  Then I read an article Genny posted on sabbath & sunday and it's like I'm even more in doubt as to which day is the lords day.  The day he rose from the dead or the 4th commandment.  I can see both sides of the argument but I really wish I could just stick to one.

    This tears me up inside, I keep asking myself why I'm I going through this, all I am seeking for is the truth and nothing but the truth.  Oh how I long for that day when I can finally say the truth has set me free.  I feel so lost, but I don't want to give up, I will like a true warrior keep on searching for the truth without letting anyone stop me, I believe when my spirit calms down & feels peace, then that is the day I can say I have found true God, although I can really feel that God is guiding me.  My life has already been written and only my Father knows the final chapter in my life for he is the author of my life.

    thanks for reading, I really needed to vent.

    #49103

    KC
    Participant

    its fairly simple, they break you down so you dont think you have anything else to worry about in this world, so that means you wont mind about your "earthly" possessions being robbed to buy your self your salvation.

    #49104

    Elievalkyrie
    Participant

    LUV, don't lose hope. I would just give a little suggestion that has helped me overcome the same problem you have. If you want to find the truth, start reading the bible. I mean, really reading it without the outside influence of others. It is stated in 1 John 2:27 "…you do not need anyone to teach you" Yes, you can read the bible yourself and the truth in it will set you free from your confusions.

    I also suggest you skip the Old Testament so you won't be confused since it is stated in Hebrew 8:13 that covenants in O.T was made obsolete by the coming of Jesus. The New Testament contains the teachings of Jesus and it is specified there what is really important.

    You can read Matthew 5-7 if you want to know the "new" rules of Jesus. Oh and Jesus himself didn't rest on Sabbaths in his time but instead went to do his usual preaching and healing the sick. Healing and preaching is considered as a work right? (John 5:16).

    But if you want another example, Jesus also let his disciples pick grains on a Sabbath day because they were hungry. (Matthew 12:1-8) You can see this contradicts the teaching in the Old Testament, there was that man that was killed just because he was picking up logs for fire during a Sabbath. 

    So goodluck to you, don't give up! God bless! ^__________^

    #49105

    LUV
    Participant


    @KC
    yes I know what your saying, without money you can't get nothing in this world, and it's the same thing in there too. Everything that is done in zion cost money, no matter what the ocassion.  It can be the feast or a clean up and you still have to donate "freewill" contribution, as they call it, but it is not freewill when you don't have it & they give you a guilt trip, in order to get you to give.  Brothers & sisters you understand where I'm coming from, it's not about the money, it's the way or the ocassion they use in order to get.  The tactics used, you know what I mean.

     

    @Elievalkyrie, thank you for your kind words, I sure wish I would have meet you in zion, and be able to speak to you in confidence.  The truth is you can't trust no one in there, so what kind of love and support system is that, everyone in there is suppose to be like family, but as you can see, we would never have a conversation like this with no one in there, because alot of the members run and tell everything you say.  How awful is that, there is no encouragement, but there is alot of coldness, if they determind you are lacking in faith.

    Your right, I will read the bible by myself and hopefully try to forget what they taught me and let GOD speak to me.  (wms always said you can't understand the bible alone) that is why no one ever knew about mother, because she was hidden through the dark ages, oh really what kind of mother hides from her children?

    whether I'm bad or good I know in my heart that my physical mother will always be there for me, supporting me, loving me, caring for me till the end.  How much more should my spiritual mom be there to guide me. ๐Ÿ™

    #49106

    KC
    Participant

    yea the guilt trip and if that dont work, usually they go into “suggestion” of which i can say more like a threat, something like “if you dont give, that means you are robbing god and that might leads into bad things happening to you”, i think they just acting like a religious mafia.

    #49107

    Elievalkyrie
    Participant

    Luv, that's why they are called a "cult" by many people. These are the check list that a cult would do, 

    1. Controlling Information (like saying "don't read the internet!") 2. Controlling Your Thinking (like when they say "You can't understand the bible alone!) 3. Controlling Your Emotions (saying words that makes you feel guilty thus making you do what they want).

    So do they do all these things to you? Do they meet these following criterias? 

    The first step of getting out of them, is knowing and confirming to yourself that they really are a CULT. So don't let them harass you into anything because in the end, God would be on your side. They can't hurt you. Just pray to God and He will surely find a way to help you completely let go of them. God doesn't force anyone to do anything, God doesn't make up lies or excuses for anything. When you know the True God, you would feel happy and at peace, not pressured or forced.

    #49108

    genny
    Participant

    LUV wrote:

    The reason I stay is because of the sabbath & feast, like Renita said, but when I'm feeling pinned, I just don't go to zion, but then I feel terrible because God said remeber the sabbath.  Then I read an article Genny posted on sabbath & sunday and it's like I'm even more in doubt as to which day is the lords day.  The day he rose from the dead or the 4th commandment.  I can see both sides of the argument but I really wish I could just stick to one.

    This tears me up inside, I keep asking myself why I'm I going through this, all I am seeking for is the truth and nothing but the truth.  Oh how I long for that day when I can finally say the truth has set me free.  I feel so lost, but I don't want to give up, I will like a true warrior keep on searching for the truth without letting anyone stop me, I believe when my spirit calms down & feels peace, then that is the day I can say I have found true God, although I can really feel that God is guiding me.  My life has already been written and only my Father knows the final chapter in my life for he is the author of my life.

    thanks for reading, I really needed to vent.

    I feel for you LUV.  God knows the heart and He knows how much you want to know Him and please Him.  I would suggest that when you pray, don't pray to "Father and Mother" and don't even pray to "Father" right now (because it may bring to mind Ahnsahnghong).  Instead, pray to "the one true God," and keep that openness in your heart that it may not be "Father and Mother."

    Also, when you are struggling about what to do in order to please God, like Saturday or Sunday, read Romans 14.  It shows that there are some things that are "disputable," and that we are allowed to follow our convictions on these as long as we are doing it "to the Lord."

    #49109

    Elaine
    Participant

    whether I'm bad or good I know in my heart that my physical mother will always be there for me, supporting me, loving me, caring for me till the end. How much more should my spiritual mom be there to guide me. ๐Ÿ™ 

    Well Said Luv. God is with you and he will guide you through.

    Sometimes I still LOL when I watch the video that the WMS got it banned. This member cries as she gives her testimony, " Mother had to come down and be so humble. She cleaned bathroom for us. I am so sorry mum.

    This fake spiritual mother is not even worth comparing to our physical  mother who has done much greater things since our birth. Hence God commanded " Honour your Father and your mother (No spiritual mother)," which is the first commandment with promise: "that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth."" (Ephesians 6:1-3).  God did not sy

    God bless and Luv you are in my prayers

    #49110

    Elaine
    Participant

    Elaine wrote:

    whether I'm bad or good I know in my heart that my physical mother will always be there for me, supporting me, loving me, caring for me till the end. How much more should my spiritual mom be there to guide me. ๐Ÿ™ 

     

    Well Said Luv. God is with you and he will guide you through.

    Sometimes I still LOL when I watch the video that the WMS got it banned. This member cries as she gives her testimony, " Mother had to come down and be so humble. She cleaned bathroom for us. I am so sorry mum."

     

    This fake spiritual mother is not even worth comparing to our physical  mother who has done much greater things since our birth. Hence God commanded " Honour your Father and your mother (Not spiritual mother)," which is the first commandment with promise: "that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth."" (Ephesians 6:1-3).  

     

    God bless and Luv you are in my prayers

    #49111

    LUV
    Participant


    @Genny
    & Elaine thanks for your encourging words, it really means alot to me.  Thanks to Elievalkyrie. Joshua, KC also.  You guys make me feel welcome here, and I know I have people I can relate to, and vent with, thank you so much you guys r like my angels you have no idea, how you have lifted up my spirit. 

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