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As wmscog says Ahnshahnhong preached for 37 years from 1948 when he was baptized in SDA(Seventh day adventist) till his death in 1985 +3 years of Jesus Christ’s preaching = 40 years reign of King David (the reason for his qualification of 2nd coming/ the root of david). I want to ask wmscog –
Q1- why then he left SDA and opened a new church?
Q1a-Was SDA doctrine wrong? If yes :Then why he got baptized in a wrong doctrine? Didn’t he know it already being 2nd christ? (Possible Answer)-May be he had no other way because no “true” church existed.
Q1b-So why he took 16 years to open a new church? (Possible Answer)-Maybe because he had to do hard work (Stone carrying as shown in wmscog videos) for a living during the day and had little time in the night to write his books (why din’t Jesus write any book?).
Q1c-So why did God put so much burden on his shoulders? (Not fair. 1st coming christ had only 1 assignment. Poor 2nd coming.)
Q2- Was SDA right? Then why open a new doctrine?
Q3-As Ahnshahnhong started a new church in 1964 and stared preaching new ways of Gospel, then he only scored 1964 to 1985 =21 years. So he comes short 16 years to be eligible for Christship. Oooops!! (Christship is a new word I discovered due to the need on the “new age”). (Possible Solution)-May be they can add sweet 16 years of ‘mother’ who must not be a mother at that age i guess and must be beautiful to qualify to be the bride of the Lamb/Ahnshahnhong/….(somebody please write here the name of Mother’s fist husband)!!
There's an invisible man in the sky who watches everything you do every minute of every day and he has this special list of ten things he doesn't want you to do and if you do any of the things he doesn't want you to do he will send you to a special place to choke and burn and scream and cry for ever and ever <but> He loves you.
Tell it George.
Stained wrote:
fromtheotherside wrote:
They all preach the same message you're the one making them contridicting each other. Yet they have there own books in the bible, I don't see a book of Emil in there, probably got thrown out with the rest of the trash.
AND I DON'T SEE A BOOK OF AHN. CHUMP.
Stained you give me laughter everytime I come here. Lolz. So stained I bet you it will be ironic when you're on the bqq way down under and you really do stain yourself. Lolz! Then one of the angels says "He's stained, for eterenity!" and all of us start laughing.
fromtheotherside wrote:
Stained wrote:
fromtheotherside wrote:
They all preach the same message you're the one making them contridicting each other. Yet they have there own books in the bible, I don't see a book of Emil in there, probably got thrown out with the rest of the trash.
AND I DON'T SEE A BOOK OF AHN. CHUMP.
Stained you give me laughter everytime I come here. Lolz. So stained I bet you it will be ironic when you're on the bqq way down under and you really do stain yourself. Lolz! Then one of the angels says "He's stained, for eterenity!" and all of us start laughing.
Oh you'll be there with me or you may be there yourself because either you're an idiot or your in on it. I'll let you get back to your Shemales now.
fromtheotherside wrote:
emil wrote:
It is important to distinguish the day called Passover from the rest of the 7 day feast of unleavened bread.
Yet the bible testifies that he was the passover lamb. Not a sacrifice for all the feasts.
Of the 3 synoptic gospel writers, only one was an apostle. You got your facts wrong.
John 13:1 clearly says: It was just before the Passover Festival.
As pointed out above, you've got your facts wrong.
Then don't ever qoute Mat, Mark, and luke again if your so against them! Just throw out the bible while your at it, and just keep the book of John
Putting words in my mouth. Did I say anything about their gospels? I only told you that all 3 were not apostles, only one of them was.
fromtheotherside wrote:
They all preach the same message you're the one making them contridicting each other. Yet they have there own books in the bible, I don't see a book of Emil in there, probably got thrown out with the rest of the trash.
Because I don't claim to either be God or a first hand witness of the events that happened 2000 years ago. On the other hand, as Stained said, where is the book of Ahn?
The book of Ahn is in my bookcase duh! Stained I know your hurting, but this gay infatuation has to stop, cheer up!
fromtheotherside wrote:
The book of Ahn is in my bookcase duh! Stained I know your hurting, but this gay infatuation has to stop, cheer up!
Oh good cause those Korean Bathrooms never have Toilet Paper in them. Keep your bookcase close, feel me ? And make sure Umm So In isn't in the area cause she'll swipe that book and you'll never even know it. Speaking of giving someone a good laugh you f[removed for content]ers are priceless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsuAtiVm28Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHFW8cun4ZA
Stained is an Honorary Lesbian…
fromtheotherside wrote:
The book of Ahn is in my bookcase duh! Stained I know your hurting, but this gay infatuation has to stop, cheer up!
Oh is that so? So it isn't in the bible, where you said my book isn't?
random comment passing through… 😛 I wonder if anyone will notice?
fromtheotherside wrote:
renita.payno wrote:
fromtheotherside wrote:
What is pagan about celebrating that? Again the same answer I gave to Renita, it's from YOU. Not from God. It's MAN'S tradition. Get it in to your head. Why is it so hard for you guys to understand it's MAN'S tradition, not from God. Don't ask me the question, ask God. And you will find your answer in the bible. MAN"S traditions.
Celebrating Ash's "coming day" is man's tradition. Celebrating Zahng's "coming day" is man's tradition. Zahng said to celebrate her own birthday??
Not when it's God who celebrates with! ^^ Thanks to God the Mother and God the Father!
It is a man made tradition that Zahng participates in.
We ask God in person and through the bible about each thing and whether or not we have permission to do it. We go with God’s blessings in all things.
But you do not. You make assumptions saying “I want this”, “I choose that”.
You look at the apostles and you constantly search for excuses to do less, instead of looking for excuses to do more.
When you can discern between the Holy, the Not Holy, and the Idolatry, then you will know what to keep, what is optional to keep, and what is a sin.
144000 wrote:
We ask God in person and through the bible about each thing and whether or not we have permission to do it. We go with God's blessings in all things.
But you do not. You make assumptions saying "I want this", "I choose that".
You look at the apostles and you constantly search for excuses to do less, instead of looking for excuses to do more.
When you can discern between the Holy, the Not Holy, and the Idolatry, then you will know what to keep, what is optional to keep, and what is a sin.
So, it is a man made tradition that Zahng keeps with you..
Just like you focus on the fact that we [generally] celebrate man made traditions without acknowledgement of our lack of practicing pagan rituals, I, too, will focus on that fact that you [WMSCOG] celebrate man made traditions without acknowledgment of your lack of biblical support.
Yule trees Spirit Wreaths Saturnalia Holly and Mistletoe are pagan rituals and pagan idols.
Birthdays as far as I have ever known them did not contain idols.
Celebrating a birthday is fine.
But when you lift up a Yule tree to do it then you have started a pagan ritual.
Is this clear can you understand this?
144000 wrote:
Yule trees Spirit Wreaths Saturnalia Holly and Mistletoe are pagan rituals and pagan idols.
Birthdays as far as I have ever known them did not contain idols.
Celebrating a birthday is fine.
But when you lift up a Yule tree to do it then you have started a pagan ritual.
Is this clear can you understand this?
I'm not saying birthdays are pagan. Do you understand this? I said it's a man made tradition. Is that clear for you?
renita.payno wrote:
So, it is a man made tradition that Zahng keeps with you..
Just like you focus on the fact that we [generally] celebrate man made traditions without acknowledgement of our lack of practicing pagan rituals, I, too, will focus on that fact that you [WMSCOG] celebrate man made traditions without acknowledgment of your lack of biblical support.
9th page. Yet none of the wmscog members have been able to state where in the bible is the prophecy of David's descendent reigning for 40 years. The 37 year argument is moot till you show the 40 years prophecy. If and when you show that, we'll carry on further on 37 years.
If you don’t think David’s throne is significant believe whatever you want.
Just because you don’t like how Jesus and AhnSahngHong fulfilled it doesn’t make it any less wondrous of a coincidence. In fact, given that mathematically all the factors in play result in less than one whole human of a chance of it being fulfilled, I’d call that pretty prophetical.
The only thing improbably is to say that those odds aren’t an act of God, because you can’t control having non-christian parents, not having geneology, in an unbelieving nation, being male, being of the east; and then go on to producing the bride of Christ, restoring the passover, restoring the 7 feasts, keeping the sabbath, exposing the beast, provide the New Name, bring back women wearing veils, understanding that you have to be baptised in 1948, figure out what the seal of God is, figure out that zion has to be rebuilt with a new true church of God denomination, come from the seventh day adventist church, learn the tree of life study, understand that jerusalem is our mother to which he said I quote “I follow mother”, understanding ambraham’s family…
Knowing all that before the age of 30.
And somehow complete it all before 37 years after prophesying about king david’s 37 years and somehow control dying from natural causes in that year…
I also forgot to mention the library of books containing more prophecies…
No, whats amazing is that you think a mere man was in control of all that and succeeded in some great conspiracy.
I do not hold the prophecies in contempt, all thanks to Father and Mother.
144000 wrote:
If you don't think David's throne is significant believe whatever you want.
Wow. I asked about the 40 years specification and you throw up so many points unrelated to David's reign. Did I indicate that David's throne was insignificant? It was prophsied that the saviour would come from the line of David and sit on the throne of David. The prophecy was entirely fulfilled by Jesus. There was absolutely no requirement that the reign should be 40 years. In fact the prophecy specifies that it is forever.
Considering the topic we are discussing in this thread, I shall ignore all those points which have no bearing on David's throne although I can challenge them all. Let me know if I have inadvertently ignored something relevant to David from your post.
Just because you don't like how Jesus and AhnSahngHong fulfilled it doesn't make it any less wondrous of a coincidence. In fact, given that mathematically all the factors in play result in less than one whole human of a chance of it being fulfilled, I'd call that pretty prophetical.
Get real here. Jesus fulfilled the prophecy. ASH had nothing to do with it. My like or dislike is irrelevant.
Knowing all that before the age of 30.
That is assuming things not in evidence. How do you assume that he knew all this before the age of 30? Only because you believe he is god. That is the problem with your claim. You believe he is god because you make assumptions like these and you make these assumptions because you believe he is god. Nice circular logic.
And somehow complete it all before 37 years after prophesying about king david's 37 years and somehow control dying from natural causes in that year…
Can you cite where exactly ASH prophesied about David's 37 years? Clearly and unambiguously?
I also forgot to mention the library of books containing more prophecies…
No, whats amazing is that you think a mere man was in control of all that and succeeded in some great conspiracy.
I do not hold the prophecies in contempt, all thanks to Father and Mother.
What books? Are they relevant to the throne of David?
What I think is not relevant. Don't just throw around words like prophcy without backing up with specifics.
In conclusion, we find that you have provided nothing but a vague reference to David's throne. This is totally inadequate because:
1. David's reign was split as 7+33 years. and does not correspond with 3+37 whichever way you dice it.
2. You stretch the limits of credulity to get the total to fit to 40 years. You do it by considering events and years that help to fit closely to the hypothesis. You do it by considering ASH's baptism and Jesus', the latter being a baptism of repentance and not coming into the faith. ASH's and our baptism should be compared with Jesus' circumcision not his baptism.
3. After stretching, you guys justify the stretching by arguing that it does not have to be exactly 40 years.
4. Most importantly, according to the prophecy, David's descendent will reign forever. There is no provision for him to die and stay dead.
Hal wrote:
And when were Yeshua and Ahn annonited? There self "annointing" would violate Devrim 28:40 (Deuteronomy)
40 Thou shalt have olive-trees throughout all thy borders, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olives shall drop off.
Baptism
Emil
If you can’t be bothered to read Fathers books about king davids prophecies of 37 years than I can’t help you. Go read and study more before you presume to argue with me. By the way, I’m not sure if you knew, this but all the sermon books were written by Father also.
Hal
I have never seen anybody pray to a picture of mother, in fact deacons say “yes that is mother but it is just a picture don’t pray to it or anything.” If anybody was praying to a picture I would ask them about it first because maybe you might haave been mistaken about their intentions (perhaps it was just a coincidence they were carrying it or next to one) and then I would refer them to a deacon.
I would not presume to label the entire organization based off of it, your ignorance is astounding. Like Jesus said some people are so slow.
Also, you are a Jew, you are of the people who WERE supposed to enjoy the New Covenant as his holy people, but you handed him over to be crucified instead.
There is a saying among Jews “pick your rabbi”, because they don’t know what their talking about anymore and believe it ot not there are different Jewish denominations too.
Again and again you ignore your own torah about the arrival of the New Covenant.
Anyways it was not self-annointment, Jesus was baptised from another person.
144000 wrote:
Emil
If you can't be bothered to read Fathers books about king davids prophecies of 37 years than I can't help you. Go read and study more before you presume to argue with me.
If you can't be bothered to read Fathers books about king davids prophecies of approximately 37 years than I can't help you.
FIXED.
(because when it comes to eternal salvation, Jesus baptized at "about 30 years old" (Luke 3:23) is certainly close enough!)
So the Lord speaks.
And Jesus continues to speak saying “I have been annointed to preach the good news to the poor” and concerning old testament scrolls and prophecies he says “now you can see it is fulfilled in your hearing”
And Jesus continued to speak saying that we will come a second time, and the apostles wrote it down.
And God speaks saying that people will stream to Zion that was rebuilt when he appeared
And Jesus continues to speak saying that the spirit and the bride say “come” to those that want salvation.
And Jesus still speaks that after the work of salvation the end will come.
It is not cherry picking, it is not twisting verses, its reading the bible straight in chronological order.
Thus AhnSahgnHong’s baptism at 30 is “about 30”. And in a measurement of years he preached the good news to the poor 37 years, whever he was and in whatever capacity.
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