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According to the WMSCOG, the children of promise mentioned in Gal. 4:28 are the children of heavenly mother. Children of promise – children of mother – children of eternal life. This is the wmscog teaching regarding the children of promise. They explain, that Isaac became the child of promise becuase of who it was that gave birth to him. In other words, to be a child of Sarah(the free woman) is to be a child of promise. The wmscog emphyzise the "mother" aspect of it. The mother is a key part of the promise. Those who are not children of jerusalem mother, are not the children of promise pretty much. This is there insistance. In the studies like "Jerusalem Mother" "Abraham's Family and Mother" as well as the "Children of Promise" all pretty much lead to explain that "mother" is the only source of life and only those who are born through her, recieve the promise. So accoriding to the wmscog, if you are not born of heavenly mother, then you do not have the promise, which means no eternal life for you.
I've only explained some of this, if you know more concerning this study, please explain down below!
Now lets see what Ahn said concerning the children of promise.
This is from Ch. 8 "The Children of Promise" of Ahnsahnghong's book titled "The Law of Moses and the Law of Christ"
"In the bible there are the children of flesh and the children of promise. As it is written:
Romans 9:7-13
7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring. 9 For this was how the promise was stated: “At the appointed time I will return, and Sarah will have a son.”
10 Not only that, but Rebekah’s children were conceived at the same time by our father Isaac. 11 Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: not by works but by him who calls—she was told, “The older will serve the younger.”13 Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
In other words, the children of promise are those to whom the promise was given through the prophecies before their birth, like Isaac or Jacob. If we study the subject of promise, it is as follows: When Abraham was 85 years old and had no son, he began to worry. So, Sarah, Abraham's legal wife, gave her maidservant Hagar to Abraham to be his second wife, and Hagar bore Ishmael without God's promise (Ge 16:1-16). However, it was not God's will to make Ishmael born without His promise, Abraham's heir. Fourteen years later, God promise Abraham:
Genesis 17:21
21 But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year.”
As God promised, Sarah bore a son, Isaac (Ge 21:1-11)
The Apostle Paul interpreted this history as prophecy to the churches in Galatia (Gal 4:21, 31); he described those whom the promise was given through the prophecies before thier birth, as the children of promise (Gal 4:28-31; Ro 9:7-13). "
He later went on to explain if a church was prophesied by the Old testament prophets, it is a child of promise. If a church is not prophesied by the Old Testament prophets, it is a child of flesh. In other words the church who fulfills all the prophecies of both Old and New Testament prophets about the last church, is a child of promise.
Aside from this, there are many more things he said. Like the last remant being the last church. Ahn uses this chapter to also explain about the restoration of the truth in the last days. To quote him "Therefore, the church, which was foreodained by prophecy, is the child of promise and the one born of the spirit" pg 56 of Ch. 8 The Children of Promise from the book titled "The Law of Moses and the Law of Christ"
We can see that the wmscog do not teach the "children of promise" the same way that Ahn does. Ahn never mentions anything about being born through god the mother or anything regarding the new jerusalem.
I've started this post to start digging in on Ahn's interpretation of the children of promise being the last church as well as the children of promise being the children of mother according to the wmscog. Your thoughts?
Simon wrote:
Stained wrote:
Simon wrote:
Actually ishmael was a legitimate heir just not who god wanted
Actually, poindexter, it's actually all actual Bullshit actually.
The Bible is bullshit?
Sorry Poindexter, I must have missed your question in between all the other posts. Your answer: Religion, especially this one, is Bullshit. Some of the Bible is historically corrrect. As far as the Bible is concerned, no body was there including most of the people that wrote it. Another thing is that it's been translated and retranslated so many times it doesn't even say what it said originally. Do you know how many "saviors" there were around about the time of Jesus that were born of a virgin, had 12 disciples, got Baptized @ 30, were crucified, were raised from the dead and ascended into Heaven ? Too many is your answer. Faith, these days, is what religion wants you to have so that they can faithfully pick your pocket each and every week. Money for nothing and your chicks for free. They wrote a song about it Poindexter.
These videos may help you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZgT1SRcrKE
Stained wrote:
Simon wrote:
Stained wrote:
Simon wrote:
Actually ishmael was a legitimate heir just not who god wanted
Actually, poindexter, it's actually all actual Bullshit actually.
The Bible is bullshit?
Sorry Poindexter, I must have missed your question in between all the other posts. Your answer: Religion, especially this one, is Bullshit. Some of the Bible is historically corrrect. As far as the Bible is concerned, no body was there including most of the people that wrote it. Another thing is that it's been translated and retranslated so many times it doesn't even say what it said originally. Do you know how many "saviors" there were around about the time of Jesus that were born of a virgin, had 12 disciples, got Baptized @ 30, were crucified, were raised from the dead and ascended into Heaven ? Too many is your answer. Faith, these days, is what religion wants you to have so that they can faithfully pick your pocket each and every week. Money for nothing and your chicks for free. They wrote a song about it Poindexter.
These videos may help you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZgT1SRcrKE
I'm with his Stainess on this one, that's 2 votes for the Bible is bullshit. All knowing one did you have to go there? We're gonna make a lot of enemies today. Sorry Emil but when the instruction manuel has too many interpretations the customer will undoubtably do whatever they want and the product is bound to get screwed up.
Exhibit A. WMSCOG
emil wrote:
Simon she told Abraham to get rid of Hagar and he gave her permission to do so. That had nothing to do with Isaac being the heir.
Please read Genesis 16. It was a clear power play between a legal wife and a mistress. Neither Ishmael not Isaac had been born yet.
You could argue that she would have no authority unless God gave it to her which would be correct. However, the fact remains that Sarah would have had the power even in a secular setting without the promise from God of Isaac.
Abram explains it at the beginning of chapter 15 that Eliezer would be his heir by default if he would have no son.
For believers we can say that Isaac was heir because he was the child of God's promise but in secular society, Isaac would still be the heir because he was the legitimate son.
Except Ishmael was legitimate
Joshua wrote:
I have posted this before but it seems to fit with this thread so here it goes again. According to the WMSCOG, father and mother created everything. This group claims to believe in the Trinity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Christians accept this as the one true God. THe WMSCOG also claims that Zahng is the bride of the Lamb and as we all understand the Lamb is Jesus Christ. So here's the huge and obvious problem that this cult still has NO real answer for. God, in the form of the Holy Spirit goes to Mary and makes her with child. Mary is NOT mother god even though she is the mother of God. This means that God would have cheated on god the mother! Would God ever do something like this? Not according to Gods Word! Lets go on. Zahng is supposed to be the bride of Jesus ie the Son of God. The mother marries the son? This is called incest! Again, this is not something that God would ever participate in! This doctrine falls appart on its own without anyones help. I still don't really understand how a person, with the the mind God gave them, would fall for this! This cult spoon feeds them this garbage and they seem unable to see past the deception to the obvious.
That argument falls apart because if it would be cheating(adultery) if there were a mother God then it was fornication without one.
Also this argument relies on Father+Son+Holy Spirit as opposed to Father=Son=Holy Spirit which you would likely never convince them of as members; even I am still not convinced.
Harry wrote:
Stained wrote:
Simon wrote:
Stained wrote:
Simon wrote:
Actually ishmael was a legitimate heir just not who god wanted
Actually, poindexter, it's actually all actual Bullshit actually.
The Bible is bullshit?
Sorry Poindexter, I must have missed your question in between all the other posts. Your answer: Religion, especially this one, is Bullshit. Some of the Bible is historically corrrect. As far as the Bible is concerned, no body was there including most of the people that wrote it. Another thing is that it's been translated and retranslated so many times it doesn't even say what it said originally. Do you know how many "saviors" there were around about the time of Jesus that were born of a virgin, had 12 disciples, got Baptized @ 30, were crucified, were raised from the dead and ascended into Heaven ? Too many is your answer. Faith, these days, is what religion wants you to have so that they can faithfully pick your pocket each and every week. Money for nothing and your chicks for free. They wrote a song about it Poindexter.
These videos may help you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZgT1SRcrKE
I'm with his Stainess on this one, that's 2 votes for the Bible is bullshit. All knowing one did you have to go there? We're gonna make a lot of enemies today. Sorry Emil but when the instruction manuel has too many interpretations the customer will undoubtably do whatever they want and the product is bound to get screwed up.
Exhibit A. WMSCOG
You are of course free to believe that.
Religious belief systems are the fraud of the age. They serve to detach people from the natural world and like wise, each other. It supports blind submission to authority and it reduces human responsibility to the effect that god controls everything and in turn, awful crimes have / can be justified in the name of devinne pursuit. Most importantly, it empowers those who know the truth but use the myth to manipulate and control societies. Religious myths are the most powerful device ever created and serve as the psychological soil upon which other myths can flourish. Believe it.
About this Topic Ahnsahnghong vs the WMSCOG's teaching of "The Children of Promise"
How could they twist the scripture. How could a son marry his own mother. This question can't answer by wmscog. This types of twist story is found in Hindu religion. According to hindu religion this age is Kaliyug which is the last age. In Pashupati Temple of Nepal you will find Such stories physical relation in between Son & Mother. The Story is Like this a Women gave birth to a son and disappear for many years, when finally mate each other they didn't recognize each other and fall in love and had physical relation. This is the main theme of the story so god burrow Kaalee to land which you can see in Pashupati temple. And when the kaalee will fully release his body from the ground this world will be destroy, this is the faith of hindu culture.
WMSCOG = HINDU RELIGION
1 john 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
1 Cor 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
Dear Brother's & Sister's Lots of love to all. While I was in the WMSCOG I never saw Love (Charity). Just is bible verse, they never knew the pure meaning and power of LOVE.
1 Cor 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
These days WMSCOG members are in doubt whether they will get salvation or not. Many members are waiting for Mother, all of them are worried about her health. whether she will die or will go to heaven alive taking us. seems every one are in great perplexity.
Let's see, few more years for result!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! every one will know.
God my love wrote:
About this Topic Ahnsahnghong vs the WMSCOG's teaching of "The Children of Promise"
How could they twist the scripture. How could a son marry his own mother. This question can't answer by wmscog. This types of twist story is found in Hindu religion. According to hindu religion this age is Kaliyug which is the last age. In Pashupati Temple of Nepal you will find Such stories physical relation in between Son & Mother. The Story is Like this a Women gave birth to a son and disappear for many years, when finally mate each other they didn't recognize each other and fall in love and had physical relation. This is the main theme of the story so god burrow Kaalee to land which you can see in Pashupati temple. And when the kaalee will fully release his body from the ground this world will be destroy, this is the faith of hindu culture.
WMSCOG = HINDU RELIGION
except that isn't their doctrine
Harry wrote:
I'm with his Stainess on this one, that's 2 votes for the Bible is bullshit. All knowing one did you have to go there? We're gonna make a lot of enemies today. Sorry Emil but when the instruction manuel has too many interpretations the customer will undoubtably do whatever they want and the product is bound to get screwed up.
Exhibit A. WMSCOG
While I do not agree that the bible is BS, I do agree with the part I have emphasized. The problem is not so much the bible but the private interpretation of it. That is what gave rise to 40000 examples of Christian disunity which Jesus was concerned about.
But the wmscog is also a good argument for personal interpretation over organizational
^ Yes Simon. I agree. One needs to do a sanity check with the organizational interpretation and see if it makes logical sense at all. If not, the organization has no credibility and consequently, authority.
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