- August 9, 2011 at 7:25 AM#6768Moved-CommentParticipant
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[Originally posted by Adam on August 1, 2011 5:36 PM]
The 21 years you are thinking refers to how long the church was around before AhnSahngHong died. As a church Passover was celebrated from 1964, before it there was no Church of God. Think about this though, how can He establish a church without any followers? He had to preach before then.
Also, about the SDA baptism it had to happen this was. This was the only christian church that kept Saturday as Sabbath, the law that was abolished in 321 AD. If you haven’t done the 7 churches study, you could not have known that. The Sabbath truth was restored in 1844 through the adventist movement (prophecy of daniel 8 and 9).
William miller didn’t predict the 2nd coming of Christ to be 1844, it was the end of the world. However the scripture said the sanctuary had to be cleansed (The return of the truth started then with Sabbath)
Also, what does the SDA doctrine have anything to with what AhnSahngHong taught? Nothing, Ellen G White didn’t fulfill any prophecy from the bible. If you read the letters from Paul, children (spiritually), as White refers to are easily tempted by Satan. This indicated people young in faith who haven’t set there hearts on following the law of God. Also, you are picking out scriptures out of context to prove something.
Not to mention, AhnSahngHong debunks a lot of what Ellen G white said because it was her interpretation, and goes on to prove His point through scriptures. For example, the Seal of God is Passover (John6:27,53-56, Luke22:19-20)
- August 9, 2011 at 7:28 AM #42522
[Originally posted on August 1, 2011 8:07 PM]
Adam, thank you for viewing the site and commenting.
First, according to the WMSCOG, the purpose of the second coming of Christ is to restore the Passover. If according to the WMSCOG’s “prophecy of King David”, Jesus only fulfilled 3 of the 40 year ministry required, that leaves 37 years right? So if for argument’s sake I agree with the WMSCOG logic, Ahnsahnghong should have preached the Passover for 37 years and not only 21 of the 37 indicated by the “prophecy of King David”. What was Ahnsahnghong preaching for 16 years? Where in the prophecy does it state that it would take him 16 years to establish his own church? Did Ahnsahnghong need to meet a church member quota before he could fulfill his supposed purpose of “restoring” the Passover?
There is no Biblical support for the theory that Jesus would return and be baptized a second time. Please see the comments at the bottom of this article as I am trying to save space here.
William Miller predicted that Jesus would return to earth in 1844 but revised his prediction to imply a spiritual return when his prediction did not materialize. You said that “However the scripture said the sanctuary had to be cleansed”. Jesus entered the Most Holy Place once for all. There is no Biblical support for this occurring or needing to occur a second time. See Hebrews 9:11-13.
Where in the Bible does it support the idea of Jesus returning and worshiping a false idol for 30 years? Let’s say that I agree with the WMSCOG’s “prophecy of Melchizedek”, and I agreed that Jesus would return as a human born of non-believing parents. This would only make sense if Ahnsahnghong was born of atheist parents, not pagan worshipers. Do you really think that Jesus would return to bow down to a statue of Buddha for 30 years? And then hypocritically accuse all of Christianity of worshiping the pagan sun god?
The alleged abolishment of the Sabbath will soon be addressed in a different article specific to that topic. Feel free to subscribe to the site and you will be notified of new posts as they are published.
The SDA doctrine has a lot to do with what Ahnsahnghong taught. The WMSCOG continues to teach some of the SDA doctrine like the 3 hour long “Daniel’s prophecy” lesson. It seems that what you are implying is that Ahnsahnghong was baptized into the SDA church because they were the only ones that had it almost right. Why wasn’t Ahnsahnghong baptized into the Worldwide Church of God established by Herbert Armstrong in the late 1930′s? They were already Sabbatarians who celebrated the Passover and all of the other feasts as well. You may even be able to claim that Herbert Armstrong was Jesus since he “restored” the Passover about 30 years before Ahnsahnghong.August 9, 2011 at 7:30 AM #42523
[Originally posted by Adam on August 1, 2011 9:35 PM]
Before the WMSCOG, AhnSahngHong preached Passover is what I am saying. The Church of God, biblically is established through, Christ’s blood, Passover. Not vice Versa. Also, heb 9 says he entered the holy place ONCE FOR ALL(people). Why force an interpretation that supports a erroneous argument?
Based on your logic, Jesus was jewish, so therefor Christianity is wrong because he celebrated the Law of Moses established during the time of Exodus and what he taught is against his own background. Jesus began preaching the new covenant, the Law of Christ after he was baptized.
Pagan means you don’t believe in the true God described in the bible, while worshipping other gods. Non believers in the bible is described as people who don’t follow God’s laws.
Regarding Armstrong, I skimmed the article as it was so long, but didn’t see anywhere that he taught Passover as celebrated by Christ. And why couldn’t be AhnSahngHong be baptized in his church is a good question. It had to be the SDA according to prophecy (you haven’t studied it and i really don’t feel like writing you an essay xP ). The bible says a man will come from the east, at the furthest corners, in a coastland to restore Passover (Isaiah) East of what? where Isaiah wrote it, in Jerusalem. And in revelation, the angel bringing the seal of God (Passover Jhn6:27,53-56, luke22:20) is from the east. East of what? Island of Patmos where John was. Looking at a map, the prophesies point toward South Korea. You said you were in wmscog in a year, but it seems like you only did a few studies, like King David. Also, Christ had to begin teaching Passover in 1948 according to the lesson of the figtree.September 27, 2011 at 5:59 PM #42524
I was just wondering (maybe our wmscog friends know)…
Jesus didn't start preaching right after He was baptised. First he went into the wilderness for 40 days (Mark 1).
Did something like that happen with Ahnsahnghong? Did he go off to pray and fast right away before preaching, or did he start preaching right away?
And does the "lesson of the fig tree" really mean that he "had to begin teaching Passover in 1948" or just that he had to be baptised in 1948?September 29, 2011 at 3:50 PM #42525
Actually if you read Luke 3:21, i think it says that Jesus was 30 years old when He began His ministry. Your kind of splitting hairs. Your not a law-keeper are you? Your being rather legalistic!!!! (your alls claims against us usually)October 1, 2011 at 5:58 PM #42526
No, I'm not talking about the 30 years old thing. I just know that you like to draw so many 'copy and shadow' parallels, I wondered if there was one for the 40 days of His fasting in the wilderness.October 1, 2011 at 10:00 PM #42527
@ChildOfZion and Adam Passover and other feasts were taught years before Ahnsahnghong came along by Armstrong, and before Armstrong Jews were keeping the feasts and Passover. There were also Jews that believed in Jesus and kept the feasts and Passover. When I went to the cult of Ahnsahnghong I was told that Ahnsahnghong ascended to heaven… that Ahnsahnghong never died. When I got kicked out by the Pastor from the cult of Ahnsahnghong for no apparent reason I found out that Ahnsahnghong died and was buried in Korea. So if Ahnsahnghong is the second coming of Jesus (according to your cult's twisted doctrine) how come he died? Read Romans 6:9. Why was I lied to.October 3, 2011 at 7:36 PM #42528
Again Oscar, you do not know the scriptures or the power of God. Read all of Roamns 6, then you might be able to understand it was not talking about actual death, Did you really die when you were babtized?
Again, we can see that the the very thing you people accuse the wmscog of doing, taking scripture out of context, you are doing.October 3, 2011 at 8:29 PM #42529
Romans 6 is showing the analogy of Jesus' physical death to our death to sin. Jesus' death and resurrection showed physically what happens to us spiritually when we die to sin and are born again. Phycial death has no power over Jesus any more, just like our sin should have no power over us any more. This is not taken out of context.October 4, 2011 at 5:52 PM #42530
So do you think death had power over Jesus to begin with?October 5, 2011 at 6:27 AM #42531
Now that's a very good question, ChildOfZion. You've had me thinking about that all day…
If you mean, do I think that Jesus had the power to avoid dying on the cross? Yes, He did.
Matthew 26:53 "Or do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He will provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels?"
If you mean, do I think that Jesus had an invincible human body? No. His body died on the cross.
Phil. 2:7-8 "but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross."
Here's my understanding of it. Jesus willingly came in a human body so He could satisfy our debt for our sins. In order for that sacrifice to take place, He had to allow death to have power over that body. If it had not been a perishable, human body, how could it have been a substitute for us?
But death could not maintain power over Him. He rose from the dead with a glorified, imperishable body.
1 Cor. 15:42-43 "So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power"
Death does not have power over an imperishable body.
1 Cor. 15:54 "When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”"
Jesus ascended to heaven with that imperishable body (Acts 1:9-11) and there is no reason to think that His imperishable body has expired or is no longer available to Him.
I think the difference here is that the wmscog teaches that Jesus needed a new human body to be born into (which would then have to die again), while mainstream Christianity teaches that Jesus doesn't need to be born into a new human body because He still has His imperishable, resurrection body, which will never need to die again.October 5, 2011 at 6:36 AM #42532
Thank you Genny. Very well put.October 5, 2011 at 6:49 AM #42533
You're welcome, Oscar. 🙂May 15, 2013 at 11:14 PM #42534
Childofzion, never answered back, I wonder if he is Fromtheotherside too.May 15, 2013 at 11:19 PM #42535
there was a very long gap between COZ and FTOS but never knowMay 15, 2013 at 11:20 PM #42536
yeah well, perhaps he went golfing, LOLMay 15, 2013 at 11:31 PM #42537
he shoots way above par apparentlyMay 15, 2013 at 11:42 PM #42538
Actually if you read Luke 3:21, i think it says that Jesus was 30 years old when He began His ministry. Your kind of splitting hairs. Your not a law-keeper are you? Your being rather legalistic!!!! (your alls claims against us usually)
Actually, hey STAINED. ACTUALLY. LOL.May 16, 2013 at 12:16 AM #42539
So do you think death had power over Jesus to begin with?
Yes. Rom 6:9 "Death no longer has power over Him". "No longer" means that death at some time before then had power over Jesus.May 16, 2013 at 5:49 AM #42540
Thanks Kim for bumping up this thread. I wouldn't have seen it otherwise.
This is the first time ever I saw someone interpreting "ONCE FOR ALL" from Heb 9:12 in the manner that Adam has done here. He took the word "All" used there and concluded that it meant for all people rather than taking the phrase to mean "for the last time". I there looked up the interlinear and concordance and find the Greek word used is "ephapax". Now I understand that it is fine to use Greek especially when it comes to NT text which was mostly written in Greek I assume Hebrews was too. By loloking at the way the Greek word has been used in its other 5 instances, it is clear that the meaning Adam has assumed is wrong and it means "for the last time" or "a final act". In fact, the KJV translates it as "ONCE" and not "ONCE FOR ALL"
With this we have to conclude that Adam's interpretation is erroneous and not Admin's. Adam is first interpreting and then forcing the phrase to mean what he wants it to mean. "Oh what a tangled web we weave."May 16, 2013 at 1:36 PM #42541
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