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Feasts end this week , I think the 5am and 7pm services were these past 10 days.
If anyone has relatives on the east coast ,they are having some sort of big study in new windsor this Sunday.
The feasts were indeed somewere last week, I think it ended yesterday but it will start around oct, 8th again. Does anyone know about fasting during last week? And for howlong?I see 7 pm, is / was it always 7 pm? or did the time changes during the year?
Yes preaching week commences Wednesday and fasting is supposed to happen as well.
The last fast the zions here did was for 3 days and that was right before the beginning of the feasts.
7pm? I'm not sure what you mean by that, as in when the fasting ends?
It ended twilight midnight here, it looked painful for brothers and sisters, and I found it hypocritical that leaders don't have to participate in the fast, and even worse that mothers chose to let thier kids participate.
Sorry @curious1 I reread your question.
That was a mistake it was indeed 7:30 pm. services.
The leaders don't participate in the fast?? I never actually knew that.. how interesting.
There ain’t any fasting in the upcoming feasts: neither the leaders nor
The general believers. The ONLY FASTING is at the Feast of U.Bread
Why is it that the leaders don't set the example? It looks like the followers get into a weakened state and it makes them easier to manipulate. Sound about right?
Yup. Feasts start tomorrow. Hate to see my family suffer like they do getting up so early and driving to church. I'm usually a nervous wreck during these times. I remember when I was starting to fall away and I was in charge of ensuring everyone got up in the mornings…I would sometimes turn the alarm off and when everyone realized that we missed the early morning worship I would be like ….no impact no idea. I always hated to lie like that. I would be so tired and I know they were too. It's a shame that my kids will be so heartbroken and sad when it comes to light that this church is a cult and a lie.
I feel sorry for you Trooper 5150, but overhere it is the same. My loved one has to get up early too, Which means I'm robbed of my sleep too. The worst part of it is that it seems they transfer into an other person in those weeks or around these feastweeks. More agressive, defensive and nervous. I'm glad I got away, but it is hard when you see the person whom you love, turn around in to a person, that doesn't show any love, peace or kindness, just blind hate and violence. By the way, to dear_all. My loved one was asked to fast for 4 days, without any food or drnk. It made me furious. That was during the last feast. I wish all the people whoms family are involved in this cult, a lot of strength during this feast, the last one this year..
we never fasted over 18 hours here if I skipped any other time I was chastised for making mother sad I wasn't eating enough wonder why so opposite
The longest one I personally saw was 72 hours, and it looked miserable. Some girls and brothers were literally physically sick. Newer members didn’t get pushed to participate but “strongly encouraged” and title holders didn’t or if they did it was only for 18 hours & didn’t keep it a secret.
I feel like them not fasting pushed everyone else more to prove themselves and show that all this suffering that they can hold a title one day. The zion I knew seemed overly competitive to become deacons/missionaries one day.
Trooper5150 wrote:
Yup. Feasts start tomorrow. Hate to see my family suffer like they do getting up so early and driving to church. I'm usually a nervous wreck during these times. I remember when I was starting to fall away and I was in charge of ensuring everyone got up in the mornings…I would sometimes turn the alarm off and when everyone realized that we missed the early morning worship I would be like ….no impact no idea. I always hated to lie like that. I would be so tired and I know they were too. It's a shame that my kids will be so heartbroken and sad when it comes to light that this church is a cult and a lie.
It's up to you brother. Lead your family! Time to sit down with them, discuss with them their concerns and questions, and get them out! There is lots of information and help available to you here. Based on where you're located you may even have support groups available to you. Get in touch with someone professional with reguard to cults and cult like groups. They will help you help your family. I'm sorry if I seem so abrupt but the time for you to act is now! PM me if you would like to share more information.
That sounds good in theory…but they don't want out. They enjoy the fellowship and the "warm and fuzzy" feeling. I'm an atheist. I don't believe in any god. With that being that makes even worse. I have no "CRED"…no cash in the bank. I'm cool with it now….I guess. It does weigh on you and it affects you. The dynamic of a man, husband, father, and provider gets so warped when your family depends on these organizations rather than you. Again I appreciate your words Joshua.
I understand where you're at with your faith. It's a very normal reaction to what you've been through. I get it. With that being said you still need to sit down with your family and get some professional help with this. I don't suggest you try and take them to a different church. Obviously you know how the WMSCOG teaches about any other church or anything that conflicts with them. The warm and fuzzy is going to turn cold and harsh. I'm sure you are already aware of that as well. I would like to see your family looking at you as the man leading his family. As dynamic as you are it seems that you are not getting the respect that the Bible teaches that you should be getting. If they really followed the Bible this would not be an issue. Even with your stand of not wanting to believe in any god you still deserve a certain level of respect as the head of your household. You have some great resources here. Don't ignore them.
Fasting is upto the members. It is not Mandatory to fast
Except on the Feast of Unl. Bread.
I’ve never experienced any fasting experience (Except Unl. Bread)
The leaders ALSO Fast during the Feast of Unl. Bread.
Anyone who’s been to WMSCOG for few years, they know that fasting is only at the Unl. Bread
to commomerete Jesus’ suffering.
@dear_all
I am not sure what zion you are attending but where I was (one of the largest) on the east coast, just this past feast of trumpets , almost everyone fasted.
Fasts are determined by leaders, and not always according to feasts. They can take place at anytime throughout the year and this was told to me by a leader.
I witnessed it first hand, and it looked awful in my opinion.
Sure it’s not mandatory, but it’s highly recommended and older members that don’t participate are looked down or regarded as lacking faith. At the end they all come together and break the fast with a celebration meal when it’s over.
This took place less than a month ago @dear_all
Joshua wrote:
I understand where you're at with your faith. It's a very normal reaction to what you've been through. I get it. With that being said you still need to sit down with your family and get some professional help with this. I don't suggest you try and take them to a different church. Obviously you know how the WMSCOG teaches about any other church or anything that conflicts with them. The warm and fuzzy is going to turn cold and harsh. I'm sure you are already aware of that as well. I would like to see your family looking at you as the man leading his family. As dynamic as you are it seems that you are not getting the respect that the Bible teaches that you should be getting. If they really followed the Bible this would not be an issue. Even with your stand of not wanting to believe in any god you still deserve a certain level of respect as the head of your household. You have some great resources here. Don't ignore them.
@Trooper5150, I'm only chimming in to support and encourage you to take Joshua's advice! It's GOOD advice. Sit your family down and ask them how they really feel when they are there. Get them talking in a non confrontational way. PM Joshua to get more advice regarding what to say. Ask them a lot of questions, someone will open up. You clearly have plenty of "cred" with us! It's time to save your family. You can do it! #putsomefoodonthetable and not just the edible kind. We all know where your at and how this must seem like a daunting task but you can do it! Stand up and be the Man you obviously already are. Believe in YOURSELF!dear_all wrote:
Fasting is upto the members. It is not Mandatory to fast
Except on the Feast of Unl. Bread.
I've never experienced any fasting experience (Except Unl. Bread)
The leaders ALSO Fast during the Feast of Unl. Bread.
Anyone who's been to WMSCOG for few years, they know that fasting is only at the Unl. Bread
to commomerete Jesus' suffering.
If fasting is even suggested for a feast, then whom suggested it? If it was the branch, then why? They must have some good reason to suggest it, otherwise why suggest fasting at all? The members didn't come up with the idea on their own, but rather they "Follow mother wherever she goes" as the popular term goes. Then, if only the 144,000 "follow her wherever she goes" and a member wants to be the 144,000, then will they fast?? Do you not see that they are forced?? Of course you do!! How could you not?? You certaintly know how it works! I do, how couldn't you? Yes, it's up to me not to recieve bone marrow if I have bone cancer… but if I choose not to, I will die. And this is the way the church has brain washed it's members into nearly absolute obedience… convince them that it's their choice.. But they will die if they get it wrong. Do you pay tithe? Well, that's up to you… but you know passover is not complete, nor effective, without it… Am I wrong???? Fasting?? Well, that's a choice for you to make. But mother does it, right? Do you follow her??
………….. Your comment that it is not mandatory is true, indeed. But to say they are forced to do it anyway is also very true in its own right… true because this church has imprisoned your mind to have no other way….. But you knew that already.
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