2 vs 1, Jesus the Son/God the Father PERFECT Bible Verses~the East~1 God (2 images) ONE GOD! REV 7

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    anon7
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    Scroll down to the bottom for 2 vs 1 Bible verses and Apollyon doctrine.

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    (rev 7) The angel having the seal, coming up from the east looks good. If it weren’t for his name being “allon angel” (“another angel”) we might not question it. “Another angel coming up from the east.” In Greek “allon angel coming up from the east.” Not mentioning it’s a pole angel because he’s coming from the east, and pole is about the same as English in Greek (“pol”)… “Pol allon angel.” That just looks like apollyon…

    Besides that, allon in Hebrew means “oak.”

    Oak is the same word as “ram” in Hebrew. (*See below for Hebrew Greek word references, if unfamiliar with how words can sound exactly alike in Hebrew). The point is that again media persia is appearing. Remember media persia was the Ram in Daniel 8.

    This dually likens the ones from the east (the 3 evil spirits in revelation 16) to the media persia figure. (Media persia having come from the east, wms having come from the east as they say).

    Babylon worshipped the sun god, but so did Persia. Though media persia destroyed Babylon, they were still part of the statue that got destroyed by the rock, Christ, in Daniel, and still they were depicted as the beast in revelation (the bear being part of the beast’s appearance) (the bear representing media persia in Daniel). (Rev 13) (Dan 2) (Dan 7)

    So… Media persia appears as apollyon, coming from the east. ~~~~~~

    Ok that’s another look at how this “other” angel coming from the east was not good, besides the initial posts about it. See previous posts for “how the seal was used by the enemy” and how the numbers in revelation 7 point to this being not Jesus, but the beast, apollo.

    Ok so if we establish the premise ‘the ones from the east are not good’ (as it looks like in revelation 16, “3 evil spirits from the east”). Then… Where to from there??

    See the posts about the #s 666 and 540 and 585 for the sign of apollyon, the beast. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Where to? Well, it’s an open mindedness that the one from the east, who “brought” the Passover was in fact not Jesus. How can we further understand about this persia church character? Remember Gabriel fought against the prince of Persia, and Gabriel was definitely a “good guy.” Gabriel was definitely good, on God’s side. Again, this showing how the media persia characters (the 3 from the east are BAD…).

    We see more references to the ones from the east being bad, not good. I’m inserting that if Gabriel fought against the persia character from the east, then since Gabriel is good, the eastern character is automatically bad. (Dan 10) (Dan 11)

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    The eastern king of persia tries to conquer Greece, and is ultimately defeated by Alexander the great. Foregoing the entirety of Greece, being that Rome destroyed them, Greece looks like the good guy so to speak. Greece was destroyed by the “bad monstrous kingdom.” I’m over simplifying “the bad guy verses the good guy” format, but Greece looks good in this sphere of arena. (*this fourth beast represented as Rome as the arch type “monster” -the beast terrifying and frightening) (Dan 7). (Rome destroyed greece). (I’d rather say Rome was depicted like that because the little horn came from the fourth beast, and it was depicting the little horn (apollyon) rather. My description: it’s a depiction of Apollo more so than Rome itself. I’m saying the doctrine of Apollyon is like that picture, terrifying and frightening…).

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    WHAT I’M SAYING IS: ANY DOCTRINE BESIDES “THERE’S NO GOD BUT ONE” IS A TERRIFYING AND FRIGHTENING, MONSTROUS DOCTRINE.

    “THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD, NOT TWO, NOT THREE, ETC.” BESIDES THIS THE DOCTRINE IS MONSTROUS!

    Yes there’s a reason for the word “Elohim.” Yes the female image females have must come from “somewhere.”

    But there’s only ONE Creator of all (One God).

    Yes God knew plural when He said “Let us make man.” …

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    Ok…so, back to the east… All to say, there’s many references to the ones from the east being bad.

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    All to show: as easily as wms can paint a picture for the ones from the east being good, it can just as easily be painted that they are bad.

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    *References to Hebrew and Greek

    Strong’s Hebrew: 437. אַלּוֹן (allon) — an oak – Bible Hub

    Strong’s Hebrew: 352. אָ֫יִל (ayil) — ram – Bible

    Ayil in Hebrew= oak, ram, tree

    Allon in Greek=”another” in English (strongs 243, as seen in Rev 7:2) (“an other angel” -ref. “Another horn” as seen in Daniel 7).

    ******NOTICE the 3 kingdoms destroyed by the little horn (other horn) in Daniel were destroyed because they believed in Arianism. (The Heruli, Vandals, and Ostrogoths were destroyed for not changing from their Arianism religion). The Heruli Vandals and Ostrogoths were the 3 brittle kingdoms of the 10 Roman kingdoms; these 3 were destroyed, the other 7 remained.

    Arianism= denying the divinity of Christ, originating with the Alexandrian priest Arius ( circa 250– circa 336). Arianism maintained that the Son of God was created by the Father and was therefore neither coeternal with the Father, nor consubstantial.

    Does ‘this’ sound familiar in wmscog? “Jesus is God, aka “The Father.”” As in “Jesus was not created; Jesus was THE Creator.”

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    How Jesus can be the Messiah, Christ (WHICH HE IS) is a difficult concept.

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    2 vs 1

    “The Father is greater than I.” -Jesus Christ (Jn 14:28)

    “There are 2 witnesses, I and the Father” – Jesus Christ. (Jn 8)

    “There are 2 who testify, I and the Father.” -Jesus Christ (Jn 8)

    “God is the head of Christ.” (1 cor 11:3)

    1 cor 15: 27 For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 

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    There’s many more verses than that…

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    Jn 16:23 In that day you will no longer ask me anything. Very truly I tell you, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.

    *More plainly

    26 In that day you will ask in my name. I am not saying that I will ask the Father on your behalf. 27 No, the Father himself loves you because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God.

  • #72530

    anon7
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    The day to worship (spend time with God) is not Saturday or Sunday. It’s ***Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday ****and repeat 52 times then repeat, and don’t stop until you stop arguing. Just kidding, don’t stop

    #72531

    anon7
    Participant

    It’s churches like wms doing the arguing. I never hear other churches saying “you have to worship on Sunday.” It’s when people have off work. News flash, some people have to work 6 days a week.

    #72532

    anon7
    Participant

    James 2:19 — Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

    “Thou doest well.” Even demons know there’s one God…

    #72533

    anon7
    Participant

    1 cor 8 that there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

    “THERE IS NONE OTHER GOD BUT ONE”

    #72534

    anon7
    Participant

    JESUS ANSWERED Mark 12:29-34 —And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord

    #72535

    anon7
    Participant

    Galatians 3:20 — Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

    1 Timothy 2:5 — For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

    Ephesians 4:6 — One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

    1 cor 8 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

    “There is One God” “there is one mediator between God and men.” “The mediator is Jesus.” “God is the Father (male).”

    But God is Gil? That’s clearly what the author of the Bible was going for…(not)

    #72536

    jw03550
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    imo, you can take it from some of us who have been dealing with this for some time…or not.  To my experience, MM has probably been on this site the longest.  Many have been around for a while.  I've tried working on my friend for a long time(who is in the group)

     

    I'm going out on a limb here, but

    I would say that most family and ex members would agree that we should be there for our f&f when they need a safe place to fall when they get sick and dang tired of the demands of this group.  That being said, pestering members with bible this & that is pushing them away more so than setting up a plush pillow for them to fall on.

    imho your posts are tldnr.

    #72537

    anon7
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    Jn 8

    “I am a witness, the other witness is my Father.” (It takes 2 witnesses). -Jesus Christ

    Jn 8

    “I testify. The other who testifies is my Father.” -Jesus Christ.

    17 In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses is true. 18 I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me.”

    #72538

    anon7
    Participant

    Jn 8 (2 judges)

    8:16 But if I do judge, my decisions are true, because I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent me.

    Jn 16:32

    Yet I am not alone, for my Father is with me. -Jesus said

    #72539

    anon7
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    Ok someone will read them…it explained wms doctrine is waaay off

    #72540

    anon7
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    There’s 2 to pick from. “There’s no Father, Jesus is the Father.” Or what Jesus said, see above. (2 witnesses, 2 who testify, 2 who judge) etc…

    #72541

    anon7
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    Maybe they were gonna try to say Joo was the Father… If it weren’t for the multiple numbers of 666 etc even i might have bought it…

    #72542

    anon7
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    That was a joke. I’m not buying it.

    #72543

    anon7
    Participant

    Lamb and ram are kind of interchangeable…if investigated.

    The ram is media persia. (Dan 8) In revelation it looks like a lamb with TWO horns but speaks like a dragon. It looks like Christ but its words are satan’s words.

    To say: wms teaching vs Jesus’ teaching.

    One Jesus (the actual Jesus) said “I and the Father are 2” essentiality. (Jn 8 etc, see above). An organization claiming to be founded by the same Jesus says how?

    They say there’s “no Father.” *What’s worse, saying there’s no Father or no Mother?* (If compared).

    Rebekah was very nice (but she cannot be called God). A created being cannot compare to God. All other beings were created (besides the 1 single God, called Melchizedek).

    Ref Galatians “the seed, singular.”

    Wms says Rebekah was “no one,” but just some random wife…do they not?

    I’ll just use that vs explaining. If they say it, it’s not true lol.

    #72544

    anon7
    Participant

    If not noticeable, i was getting at:

    “2 horned ram in Daniel”

    2 because media persia were 2 kingdoms united (like 2 arms in the statue Dan 2).

    Emphasized “2” horned lamb (well lamb/dragon) in Revelation 13.

    Again I’m getting at that the dragon comes from the east as in rev 16, “the kings from the east.” (As the one coming after the Euphrates dried up was from the east, and symbolizing “media persia”).

    East bad, bad east. Lol…over said but.

    That’s what wms does so… Why not use their own symantics?

    #72545

    anon7
    Participant

    Anahita Mazda in Jewish Gematria Equals: 696

    Ahura mazda was the god of the Zoroastrian religion (from whence came mithra the sun god of persia). See the prior posts about the #540 and 666 for explanation of how 696 is Saturn’s # (satan’s #, like 666)

    Mazda being the “last name” and mithra’s consort being “Anahita.”

    People aren’t fond of gematria, but 666 comes from the Bible!

    #72546

    anon7
    Participant

    Jn 5

    “The Father doesn’t judge, the son judges.” 2 vs 1

    22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father.

    #72547

    anon7
    Participant

    I CAME TO THIS WEBSITE BECAUSE PEOPLE INVESTIGATING WMSCOG COME HERE BEFORE JOINING WMS. I want them to see AT LEAST that wms doctrine is way off (if they don’t recognize wmscog is literally satan’s church…).

    #72548

    anon7
    Participant

    Giving up God the Father for a “Mother God…”… What’s worse…

    #72549

    anon7
    Participant

    John 5:37

    And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form,

    (But they were hearing Jesus speak the words and looking at Jesus)

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