Tithe Archives - Examining the World Mission Society Church of God An in depth look at the World Mission Society Church of God Sat, 18 Mar 2017 20:40:41 +0000 en-US hourly 1 https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/ex-content/uploads/2020/03/cropped-Examining-updated-favicon-32x32.png Tithe Archives - Examining the World Mission Society Church of God 32 32 The WMSCOG just wants your money https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/the-wmscog-just-wants-your-money/ Sat, 18 Mar 2017 20:40:41 +0000 https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/the-wmscog-just-wants-your-money/ Here is a little story for all you for this weekend…

So…I overdrafted one of my bank accounts.  Now – it's not my main bank account – it was a separate bank account used only to collect a direct deposit from a part time job once a month.  The bank account had a little less than $5,000 in it at any given time – again it only collected a direct deposit once a month…

Here's the story –

When I was an active member at the WMSCOG I "received the blessing" to assist in opening and runing a house church.  At the time I viewed it as such a blessing!  I would certainly have lots to learn and it would surely increase my faith.  Boy – I had NO IDEA what I was getting into!  Part of being a "team" is working as a team.  The church leader I was working with was nothing more than a deceptive, lazy, jerk that took advantage of my kindness.  Well anyways – the rented property (since it was a house church) needed a lot of renovations and appliances (the land lord left NO appliances!).  No assistance ever came from the main Church everything had to be offered up independently.  I was coerced into opening up an account at a Home Improvement store to buy construction materials and appliances like a frige, stove, washer, dryer, etc…the total bill came  to around $4,500.  Not only was I responsible for making payments to this – but the leader also expected me to assist with paying the rent and also utilities.  At the time I had no problems with it – as I viewed it as a sacrifice for the greater good – being able to keep a Zion running in the area.

(NO ONE, not even the Church leader, other member, or main Zion ever assisted me in paying off this debt!  I had to pay it all off on my own before the big interest rates hit) 

It turns out this Church leader never really held down a stable job for at least a year.  They had few jobs (only sales) but they really weren't doing well at selling anything.  They went months on end without making even a single sale.  I had no idea why they persisted on looking and maintaining a job that is commissioned based rather than a steady paycheck…Anyways a few months after establishing the house Church the wife's leader approached me and asked if I'd be willing to pay more for the rent because her husband was having difficulty finding a job (hard to really believe; I dont care if he had to work at a McDonalds or work an overnight shift at a WalMart! A Job is a Job! Beggers can't be choosers!  Why could he never get a steady job?)  So I aggreed to offer up a little more – since it was "my blessing".  So for about an entire year it was like this – the main Church Leader never really had a stable job.  The Church leader never stepped up and said to me that he could assist in paying the rent or utilities.   

What was most interesting is that he would always deliver services and say things like how important it was to have a job to support the gospel; or how important it was to learn God's sacrifice.  He would also mention things like; we shouldn't spend so much time on the internet watching YouTube (and then he'd laugh about it – "Brothers and Sisters, that's something I need to work on!").  While i was working on a project for Zion I was allowed to use the Zion computer I noticed that in the internet history it contained hours upon hours of silly pointless videos watched on YouTube.  He was the only one at home during those times – basically he just watched hours on hours of YouTube while i slaved away at work only to have almost my entire check consumed by this church.  I also found one YouTube video of a hispanic woman doing a booty shake.  Wow – that doesn't seem so Child of God – especially from a Church leader telling people that they need to support the Gospel.   

To put it in perspective this is about how much I would spend ONLY on this church; this does not include any personal food or even gas I would use to fill up my car (even though it should since I had to use my car 99% of the time for preaching and other missions).  I would spend a whopping $1,800 a month on this Church.  That included rent, utilities, paying off the debt from the Home Improvement store, tithes and offerings, food for Zion. 

Keep in mind this total does not include personal expenses such as: Car insurance, Car payment, Gas for my car (even though Zion used my car a lot!), personal food, health insurance, personal items…dry cleaners.  Keep in mind the above is merely an estimate – that does not include money I'd have to offer for the trips if we'd go to the main Zion for an education.  Very easily we can see that I would be spending over $2300 a month and a large part of it was due to the Church

I remember I could only allot $20 for new shoes for the Passover.  They were cheap, and the soles came off a few months later and I had to reglue them on.  Well I continued to have to reglue them every few months until I got so sick of it and having to give almost all my money to this Church I decided to splurge!  It really wasn't splurging since I really needed more professional looking shoes – I worked in an office environment!  Imagine walking around in a professional setting with dirty shoes that are coming apart!  When I bought the shoes I got a really good deal if I purchased two pairs of shoes – the total amount came out to about $200.  I remember a brother said to me "Wow! I can't believe you could just spend that much just like that!  I wish I was you!  Surely Mother has blessed you!"….Oh boy – In this Church people will say things like that if you try to upgrade yourself for the professional environment.  I could only afford to wear one suit – I grew out of my other suits and it angered me that I couldnt even upgrade myself while the leader just watched YouTube videos all day not evening trying to help with the rent or even that $4500 bill from the home improvement store.     

Also there was one brother who could only afford to buy is food from the dollar store.  I remember members laughing at him for buying meat in a can.  I honestly cringed at the thought of having to buy cheap meat in a can – I for one would not buy cheap meat; but really it was all he could afford.  He would also walk around preaching with dirty shoes with holes in them and clothing too big for him since all he could afford was to buy them at the thrift store.  He eventually was told not to come to Zion unless he fixed himself by getting himself a stable job "You must take care of your personal life before coming to serve God!  How can you focus on God if your physical life is difficult!" – These were the rebukes he would receive from the leader.  I felt that the leaders pushed him out of Zion because he stopped tithing AND offering, and he also ate the food without even contributing.  But the same could be said about the leader – he hardly ever helped pay the bills and I felt he never even made a good enough effort to get a job.

And that my friends…is why I left this Church!  I am so glad i left because I can actually upgrade myself and not be forced to buy cheap food at the dollar store or wear cheap shoes.  God is great – don't fall victim to this Church!  They will use deceptive measures to try and recruit you so you can get in an arranged marriage and open up house churches for them! 

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Where do tithes & offerings go? https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/where-do-tithes-offerings-go/ Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:34:08 +0000 https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/where-do-tithes-offerings-go/ As a member I was taught that our tithes & offerings go to the “True God” in the order of Melchizedek. We keep the New Covenant Passover and in return give a tenth of everything to God. Now I was told all the money goes to Korea and “mother” determines how the money is spent, as she is god on earth. Now I’m hearing the church is distancing themselves from Korea saying they’re not affiliated with the WMSCOG headquarters in Korea. I wanted to confirm this before I made this post. I found the exact information in the lawsuit WMSCOG and Mark Ortiz against Michele Colon and Tyler Newton. Lines 34 and 35 state this church is an independent entity, legally and functionally.

If that is so, where the heck did my tithes and offerings go? In case you can’t tell I’m angry as heck! I never questioned this while I was a member because since they told me the money goes to Korea why would I think my “church” would lie to me. But why do we defer to Korea headquarters for so many things then if the churches are independent entities? You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Either you are separate or not. I have not seen or heard of any financial transparency so the question remains….where do the tithes and offerings go?

Where do the tithes and offerings go?

Anyone have a valid answer? Where do the tithes and offerings go?

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Tithing According to Joo Cheol Kim https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/tithing-according-to-joo-cheol-kim/ Thu, 19 Jul 2012 06:53:42 +0000 https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/tithing-according-to-joo-cheol-kim/ When I was a member I always felt that there was a lot of emphasis on tithing and offerings.  But what does the WMSCOG literature actually say about tithing and it's importance?  I was reading "My Sheep Listen To My Voice" by WMSCOG general pastor Joo Cheol Kim, and I came across a few quotes that I would like to share with everyone.  Here they are (emphasis mine):

  • "He [God] only wants us to be saved.  God has given us the law of tithe so that we may always put our hope in heaven."  My Sheep Listen To My Voice p. 291

So money = hope???  Too bad for all of those poor people huh?  I guess they are just outta luck and don't have any "hope in heaven".

  • "Tithe is a minimum rent to be paid to God in this world."  My Sheep Listen To My Voice p. 297

Where does it say that in the Bible???

  • "God has commanded us to offer a tenth of all that we earn, so that we may serve only God and not belong to the devil who has power over this world."  My Sheep Listen To My Voice p. 299

So if you don't tithe you belong to the devil???

  • "Tithing is an important law through which those who turn away from God can return to Him."  My Sheep Listen To My Voice p. 305

So you can pay your way back to God if you leave the church???  Where is that in the Bible???

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CAN SOMEONE IN THIS GENERATION DIE, EVEN IF THEY CELEBRATED THE PASSOVER? https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/passover-1/ Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:05:48 +0000 https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/passover-1/ I was at the other site, and I read a comment where someone asked Genny if anyone from the church that has celebrated the passover, has died and if so what did the church tell the members, because if the person died having the passover then what excuse could it give it's member, that the person had no faith?

I also read at the same site that a deacones died, and it was all kept quite, could this be true and is there any proof of it.  I personally believe in the passover because it is the word of GOD, even if i don't agree with the wms on somethings.

Also if we can not die having the passover, what about the people that walked with Ahnsanghong, back in the days, who also kept the passover.  Are they alive today, if so they must be like almost 100 yrs old.  I'm just saying!

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Why Isn't Your Job an Idol? https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/why-isnt-your-job-an-idle/ Sun, 12 Jun 2011 06:13:12 +0000 https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/why-isnt-your-job-an-idle/ I hear lots of members saying that things that interfere with them going to the church are “idols”.

Well why isn’t their job an idol? That seems strange to me.

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