New Jerusalem Archives - Examining the World Mission Society Church of God An in depth look at the World Mission Society Church of God Sun, 09 Nov 2014 20:20:53 +0000 en-US hourly 1 https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/ex-content/uploads/2020/03/cropped-Examining-updated-favicon-32x32.png New Jerusalem Archives - Examining the World Mission Society Church of God 32 32 Who is Um Sooin and Zhang Gil Jah? https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/who-is-um-sooin-and-zhang-gil-jah/ Sun, 09 Nov 2014 20:20:53 +0000 https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/who-is-um-sooin-and-zhang-gil-jah/ I have just started my research and need to know the differance between Um Sooin and Zhang Gil Jah.

Any time line would be great too.

Thank You

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Chapter 8 From Ash's Forbidden Book https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/chapter-8-from-ashs-forbidden-book/ Tue, 04 Mar 2014 16:39:58 +0000 https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/chapter-8-from-ashs-forbidden-book/ Chapter 8 The Heavenly New Jerusalem is Real and Material

144,000 saints are included in the New Jerusalem and there is a material New City of Jerusalem. If there is not an actual New Jerusalem, where and how will the 144,000 saints live in Heaven?

Jesus clearly stated:

【John 14:1-3】「"Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me. In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 」

(In the Common Translation Bible it says, "If that weren’t the case, would I have told you that I’m going to prepare a place for you?" This means that it clearly exists.) How clearly has this been spoken?

[Jn. 14:2; reference the Common English Bible]

Even here, there is not any possible way to deny that an actual New Jerusalem exists in Heaven.

The Apostle Paul wrote the following about the Heavenly New Jerusalem after seeing the tremendous view of the grandness of the New Jerusalem including the 10,000 angels, the future assembly, the justified saints and spirits, the throne of God and the throne of the Lamb.

[Heb. 12:22-24; reference the Common English Bible]

The above passage records a definite truth in the form of a letter. It also mentions that Jesus Christ died once and for all with His blood.

【Hebrews 9:11-12】「When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation. He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption.」

The temple on earth that was built in Judea could be seen by the human eye and could be felt by human hands. However, the temple in Heaven cannot be seen with the eyes of this world and cannot be touched by unclean hands. Because it is a holy temple, whether it exists or does not cannot even be imagined with the human mind.

The New Jerusalem which is written of in Revelation 21:1-4, the tabernacle of God, abides with human beings. However, this tabernacle is a spiritual building not a person. Then, why does our church assert that the New Jerusalem is the saints or the Church, the 144,000 saints? The reason is that all churches think that the building is the church and the New Jerusalem. However, I am definitely testifying so that it is more clarity that where the place that the saints gather is the church and the place where the 144,000 saints would enter is the New Jerusalem.

However, Jesus built the Heavenly New Jerusalem before the 144,000 saints came into existence. It is written:

【Hebrews 8:1-2】「The point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by man.」

It was revealed that this tabernacle would came down from Heaven after the work on earth had been completed and the 1,000 years had passed.

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Chapter 17 A Curse is Received by Making an Offering to the Queen of Heaven https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/chapter-17-a-curse-is-received-by-making-an-offering-to-the-queen-of-heaven/ Tue, 11 Jun 2013 21:42:27 +0000 https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/chapter-17-a-curse-is-received-by-making-an-offering-to-the-queen-of-heaven/ Ahn writes in his book "Problems with the New Jerusalem…":

Um Sooin fulfills the prophecy of the Jeremiah by claiming that she alone came down to this earth from the New Jerusalem and that people must serve her in order to receive great blessings.

 

[Jeremiah 7:18] The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes of bread for the Queen of Heaven. They pour out drink offerings to other gods to provoke me to anger.

 

Um Sooin claims that she is the only bride, the new heavens and the New Jerusalem. Through this, she becomes a queen and she receive tithes that should be given to Melchizedek. She raises herself up as if she is greater than God.

 

How arrogant and insolent an act is this? How long will God be patient with her?

Don't the wms members constantly talk about doing things for "more blessings", sending tithes to "mother" aka Zhang??  How is what the wms members do different from the acts committed in honor of Um that Ahn discusses above?

[Jeremiah 7:18-20] The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes of bread for the Queen of Heaven. They pour out drink offerings to other gods to provoke me to anger. But am I the one they are provoking? declares the LORD. Are they not rather harming themselves, to their own shame? " 'Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: My anger and my wrath will be poured out on this place, on man and beast, on the trees of the field and on the fruit of the ground, and it will burn and not be quenched. 

 

This prophecy is said to refer to the Roiman Catholic Church worshipping Mary but it becomes more clearer evidence against Um Sooin.

How would Ahn NOT say the same thing about what the wms does when they worship Zhang?  According to Ahn, the wms is cursed!

So why wouldn't the wms members believe what Ahn wrote over what the wms says about Zhang?  Since most learn about him being "god" before they learn about Zhang.  Wouldn't his words be the ultimate authority?

As a member you would have to decide who is the liar…Ahn [there is no mother god] or the wms/Zhang [there is a mother god, her name is zhang and Ahn revealed it to us].  

Both cannot be true. 

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John 6:53-57 https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/john-653-57/ Tue, 28 May 2013 01:02:43 +0000 https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/john-653-57/ 53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.

I just had a thought about these verses because I’m beginning to have much clarity since being freed from the WMSCOG. They use these verses to justify you will not be “saved” if you don’t keep Passover. It says unless you eat the flesh of the “Son of Man” and drink “his” blood you have no life in you. Well the WMSCOG teaches that Zhang is the reality of the Passover but reading these verses how can that be? She is not the Son of Man nor is she a he. They will try to refute my thought by saying she and Ash are one but according to this verse she clearly can to be the reality of Passover.

It would have been better had they said Ash was the reality of the Passover because it would have been more believable in the long run. So Jesus said the living Father sent him…Ash nor Zhang have made this statement/claim. So then can either of them truly be the reality of the Passover?

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Do you believe the bible? https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/do-you-believe-the-bible/ Tue, 14 May 2013 05:54:09 +0000 https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/do-you-believe-the-bible/ This is the most famous question in WMSCOG. So what is the response regarding Jeremiah chapter 44?

Disaster Because of Idolatry Jeremiah 44:1-6 This word came to Jeremiah concerning all the Jews living in Lower Egypt—in Migdol, Tahpanhes and Memphis—and in Upper Egypt: 2 “This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: You saw the great disaster I brought on Jerusalem and on all the towns of Judah. Today they lie deserted and in ruins 3 because of the evil they have done. They aroused my anger by burning incense to and worshiping other gods that neither they nor you nor your ancestors ever knew. 4 Again and again I sent my servants the prophets, who said, ‘Do not do this detestable thing that I hate!’ 5 But they did not listen or pay attention; they did not turn from their wickedness or stop burning incense to other gods. 6 Therefore, my fierce anger was poured out; it raged against the towns of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem and made them the desolate ruins they are today.

Jer 44:15-25 Then all the men who knew that their wives were burning incense to other gods, along with all the women who were present—a large assembly—and all the people living in Lower and Upper Egypt, said to Jeremiah, 16 “We will not listen to the message you have spoken to us in the name of the Lord! 17 We will certainly do everything we said we would: We will burn incense to the Queen of Heaven and will pour out drink offerings to her just as we and our ancestors, our kings and our officials did in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. At that time we had plenty of food and were well off and suffered no harm. 18 But ever since we stopped burning incense to the Queen of Heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have had nothing and have been perishing by sword and famine.”

19 The women added, “When we burned incense to the Queen of Heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, did not our husbands know that we were making cakes impressed with her image and pouring out drink offerings to her?”

20 Then Jeremiah said to all the people, both men and women, who were answering him, 21 “Did not the Lord remember and call to mind the incense burned in the towns of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem by you and your ancestors, your kings and your officials and the people of the land? 22 When the Lord could no longer endure your wicked actions and the detestable things you did, your land became a curse and a desolate waste without inhabitants, as it is today. 23 Because you have burned incense and have sinned against the Lord and have not obeyed him or followed his law or his decrees or his stipulations, this disaster has come upon you, as you now see.”

24 Then Jeremiah said to all the people, including the women, “Hear the word of the Lord, all you people of Judah in Egypt. 25 This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: You and your wives have done what you said you would do when you promised, ‘We will certainly carry out the vows we made to burn incense and pour out drink offerings to the Queen of Heaven.’

God the Father said, “They provoked me to anger by burning incense and by worshipping other gods that neither they nor you nor your fathers ever knew. Again and again I sent my servants the prophets who said ‘Do not do this detestable thing that I hate’

Gods people of the Old Testament did not worship god the mother. Gods people of the New Testament 2,000 years ago did not worship god the mother. Why in 2013 should people worship a false god that no one worshipped before?! We are provoking God’s anger.

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Korean Harvest Festival https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/korean-harvest-festival/ Thu, 09 May 2013 15:54:40 +0000 https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/korean-harvest-festival/ Chairwoman Zahng Gil-jah delivered the words of encouragement, saying, “Welcome, our family members from abroad. I can guess how difficult it is for you to live in a foreign country, because many Korean people also went abroad to work two or three decades ago. Pick yourselves up though you have difficulties. There’s a Korean old saying about the time of Chuseok (which is Korean harvest festival and also called Hangawi): “No more or less, but just be like Hangawi.” It means that all is abundant at Hangawi. We have prepared songpyon a special rice cake for Chuseok, and other festive food for you. Enjoy the food and be healthy.”

 http://weloveuzahnggiljah.blogspot.com/2012/05/intl-we-love-u-foundation-chairwoman.html 

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Rev 22:17 The Spirit and the Bride. https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/rev-2217-the-spirit-and-the-bride/ Tue, 07 May 2013 00:59:33 +0000 https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/rev-2217-the-spirit-and-the-bride/ Everyone here knows our intereptation for this verse.  As everyone only says we are wrong no one cares to give an explanation. That's very cowardly, this is a debate, Joshua(not attacking the person but method) likes to say, study it yourself, but that defeats the purpose of debating.  

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New Jerusalem Coming Down Out Of Heaven https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/new-jerusalem-coming-down-out-of-heaven/ Fri, 03 Jun 2011 00:01:58 +0000 https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forums/topic/new-jerusalem-coming-down-out-of-heaven/ Revelation 21:1 “Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth”, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

Ok got it…then Revelation 21:2 says,

“I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband”.

So let’s say for argument’s sake that the bride is a “mother god”. Can a WMSCOG member explain how and when the events in Rev 21:1 took place? The earth and the sea are still pretty much here.

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