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Chapter 8 From Ash's Forbidden Book

Love'n Honey — Tue, 04 Mar 2014 16:39:58 +0000

Chapter 8 The Heavenly New Jerusalem is Real and Material

144,000 saints are included in the New Jerusalem and there is a material New City of Jerusalem. If there is not an actual New Jerusalem, where and how will the 144,000 saints live in Heaven?

Jesus clearly stated:

【John 14:1-3】「"Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me. In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 」

(In the Common Translation Bible it says, "If that weren’t the case, would I have told you that I’m going to prepare a place for you?" This means that it clearly exists.) How clearly has this been spoken?

[Jn. 14:2; reference the Common English Bible]

Even here, there is not any possible way to deny that an actual New Jerusalem exists in Heaven.

The Apostle Paul wrote the following about the Heavenly New Jerusalem after seeing the tremendous view of the grandness of the New Jerusalem including the 10,000 angels, the future assembly, the justified saints and spirits, the throne of God and the throne of the Lamb.

[Heb. 12:22-24; reference the Common English Bible]

The above passage records a definite truth in the form of a letter. It also mentions that Jesus Christ died once and for all with His blood.

【Hebrews 9:11-12】「When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation. He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption.」

The temple on earth that was built in Judea could be seen by the human eye and could be felt by human hands. However, the temple in Heaven cannot be seen with the eyes of this world and cannot be touched by unclean hands. Because it is a holy temple, whether it exists or does not cannot even be imagined with the human mind.

The New Jerusalem which is written of in Revelation 21:1-4, the tabernacle of God, abides with human beings. However, this tabernacle is a spiritual building not a person. Then, why does our church assert that the New Jerusalem is the saints or the Church, the 144,000 saints? The reason is that all churches think that the building is the church and the New Jerusalem. However, I am definitely testifying so that it is more clarity that where the place that the saints gather is the church and the place where the 144,000 saints would enter is the New Jerusalem.

However, Jesus built the Heavenly New Jerusalem before the 144,000 saints came into existence. It is written:

【Hebrews 8:1-2】「The point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by man.」

It was revealed that this tabernacle would came down from Heaven after the work on earth had been completed and the 1,000 years had passed.

John 6:53-57

Disturbed — Tue, 28 May 2013 01:02:43 +0000

53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.

I just had a thought about these verses because I’m beginning to have much clarity since being freed from the WMSCOG. They use these verses to justify you will not be “saved” if you don’t keep Passover. It says unless you eat the flesh of the “Son of Man” and drink “his” blood you have no life in you. Well the WMSCOG teaches that Zhang is the reality of the Passover but reading these verses how can that be? She is not the Son of Man nor is she a he. They will try to refute my thought by saying she and Ash are one but according to this verse she clearly can to be the reality of Passover.

It would have been better had they said Ash was the reality of the Passover because it would have been more believable in the long run. So Jesus said the living Father sent him…Ash nor Zhang have made this statement/claim. So then can either of them truly be the reality of the Passover?

Mother and the Moon

Love'n Honey — Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:12:10 +0000

Don't TLDR! Summary at the end..

I tried searching about this and didn't see anything on the subject. So, I decided to make a new thread. What are your thoughts on the following? In my notes that I discovered yesterday, I have a bible study entitled "7 Seals: Rev 6 & 7". Here's what I have written down about the 6th Seal.

Rev 6:12 6th Seal, Great earthquake. Sun turned black, moon turned blood red. Stars fell from the sky, figs from the fig tree. Not literal. 1844 – 7th Day Adventist Church established. [Sabbath is the seal of God] Sun –> Jesus, Moon –> Moses, stars/figs –> Jews. Strong wind –> WWII, holocaust [6 mill. people killed] Because the whole nation was at war, the gospel couldn't be preached. [Moon – blood red & sun – blackened]

This triggered a memory of a study about Abraham and his family. So, I searched through their online sermons to get some confirmation. This is what I found:

Sermon – Solomon's Judgement & Mother; Section – Divine Providence Revealed by the Sun & Moon & Stars. Gen 37:9-10 God the Father [Abraham] is the sun, God the Mother [Sarah] is the moon, the stars [Abraham's children] are God's children. 1 Cor 15:38-41 The same as before.

Sermon – Humble Beginnings & Prosperous Future; Section – Invisible Power Makes Our Future Prosperous. *The moon cannot shine its own light. It only reflects the light from the sun. 1 John 1:5 God is Light. The sun shines its own light. The sun represents God. *Ordinary people, the children, are equaled to the moon, reflecting the light of the sun. Preaching the message of God is reflecting the light.

Summary – God is light. There is no darkness that can be found in God. The light is the gospel. The moon is said to represent God the Mother. But the moon does not shine it's own light and there is always a dark side of the moon. Moses does not have his own gospel because he is not God. The children don't have their own gospel because we are not God. If Mother is God then the relationship between her and the moon doesn't make any sense because God is light, the moon is not.

The King of the North: Jerusalem? Mother? North Korea?

Simon — Fri, 14 Dec 2012 07:37:02 +0000

So I finally got around to reading the prophecy about the King of the North in Daniel 11 in full context

Church of God teaches that the King of the North is North of Jerusalem and therefore as Mother is "spiritual Jerusalem" the last days fulfillment would be north of Mother IE North Korea.

BUT even if Mother were "spiritual Jerusalem" the prophecy would not work as they explain it…

Daniel 11:2 clearly shows they are talking about the persian empire until its defeat by Greece.

11:3 is clearly talking about Alexander the Great until his down fall and its subsequent split into four parts. The applicable kingdoms being Ptolmaic Egypt to the south and Selucid Empire (Syria) to the North. So this prophecy is about the Kingdom north of Egypt not Jerusalem.

There is no country the Church of God uses as "spiritual egypt" they use Revelation 11:8 to claim that Spiritual Egypt is the sinful world so what would north of that be?

Any last days interpretation of Daniel 11 with their definitions for spiritual Egypt is pretty much impossible. And the claim North of Jerusalem is false (as Israel was part of both Kingdoms at one time or another neither position can be relative to Jerusalem.)

Furthermore the King of the South is supposed to attack first in Daniel 11:7 so even if somehow you could make it North of Jerusalem and Jerusalem=Mother South Korea would need to spark WWIII not North Korea using Daniel 11 as a prophecy in such a way.

WHAT REALLY HAPPENED AT JESUS LAST PASSOVER?

Joshua — Tue, 17 Apr 2012 04:15:26 +0000

While the WMSCOG has their own spin on what the Passover means and how it should be celebrated here's an interesting and possibly a more realistic way of viewing the passover. After the Passover meal Jesus did something that was really out of the normal way of doing things. He took the bread and used it to symbolize his body which would be broken for us. Then he took the cup of redemption and used it to symbolize his blood that would be shed for us. What we have lost over the years is something that the Jews of that time would have understood very well. Jesus actually proposed to his followers (the Church) with this act. When the followers drank from the cup they sealed a blood covenant with their future spouse. Let me explain. In Jesus time when a young man wished to marry there was certain things that he had to do. The young man prepared a Ketubah, or marriage contract (or covenant) which he presented to the intended bride and her father. Included in this was the " Bride Price ", which was appropriate in that society to compensate the young woman's parents for the cost of raising her, as well as being an expression of his love for her. If this contract was accepted by the future brides father then the young man proceeded to the next step. To see if the proposal was accepted, the young man would pour a cup of wine for his beloved and wait to see if she drank it. This cup represents a blood covenant. If she drank the cup she would have accepted the proposal and they would be betrothed. The young man would then give gifts to his beloved, and then take his leave. The young woman would have to wait for him to return and collect her. Do you not see the truth or the correlation yet? I'll go on. Before leaving the young man would announce, " I am going to prepare a place for you ", and "I will return for you when it is ready". The usual practice was for the young man to return to his father's house and build a honeymoon room there. He was not allowed to skimp on the work and had to get his father's approval before he could consider it ready for his bride. If asked the date of his wedding he would have to reply, "Only my father knows."

Jesus offered the "Bride Price" for us. We, the Church, accepted his offer and accept his offer everytime we drink from the cup representing his blood. He paid the price and gave us the gift of eternal life amoung others. After his resurrection he stated, " I am going to prepare a place for you ", and "I will return for you when it is ready". He then went to his fathers house and began preparing a place for his bride. The place is New Jerusalem where the saints will reside as the Bible says it. By the way, Ahnsahnghong said it as well. And who knows when Jesus is going to come back for us? Jesus told us, "Only my father knows." Jesus proposed to his bride in the evening after the Passover feast. We are his bride and it is proven by Jesus own actions and words. Anyone who comes preaching another doctrine other than the one taught to you by Jesus and the Apostles is a false prophet and a liar. Jesus paid the price for us and even Ahnsahnghong believed that and preached it till his death. This god the mother who's living in South Korea is a living, breathing, false prophet and liar as is anyone who is spreading these lies and deceiving Gods children. Accept Jesus the Christ as your personal Lord and Savior and he will reside in you and you in him. This is what the Bible teaches us. He's already paid the "Bride Price" for us, all we have to do is accept him.

NEW NAME : To him that overcometh OR To him that gets Baptized?

oliverlog — Sun, 03 Jul 2011 11:44:21 +0000

WMSCOG says the “New Name” in Rev.2:17 is Ahnsahnhong but Revelation says this New Name will be given to those who “Overcome”.

“To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.”

I guess that means a person will receive this new name when he overcomes the evils of this world and stays faithful till the end. How come then wmscog gives this “New Name” in the beginning of the person’s faith in wmscog (during the baptism ceremony).

WMSCOG'S Truth Of Life : God's Two Images

oliverlog — Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:05:17 +0000

Let’s examine wmscog’s Truth of Life about the Gen. 1:26-27 in which they claim God made female in His own image too. (http://english.watv.org/truth/truth_life/content_mother.asp) .

” And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness…..So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.” (Gen. 1:26,27)

In the first line of this verse God says ‘Let us make man in our image, after our likeness’. Note here the noun “Man”. God wanted to create “man” (male) in His own image and likeness as I see it.

In the second line, God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him, note “man” and “him” which ,I think, clearly indicate towards Male gender. If God meant male and female both by using “man” in the sentence, He could write something like this –

“So God created male and female in his own image, in the image of God created he them.”

In the last line of the verse I am discussing, the scripture says, “male and female created he them.” Here it is evident that God created male and female But (a big But here) its not evident that God created male and female both in His image. The writer of the scripture stressed on the creation of “Man” in God’s image as is evident by the his repeated sentence. Just take a second to think that why the scripture writer stressed on ‘man’ in God’s image so much but when he mentions ‘male and female’ he says nothing about God’s image. He just says “male and female created he them”. He could add a few more words to make it clear. For example: (Added words in bold)

“male and female created he them in His own image“

To me, these verses mean that “God created male and female in which the male (man) was created in God’s image.”

It is further evident by the sequence of the creation of man and woman (Adam & Eve) and the technique used by God to create them. God created Adam first. So when He expressed His desire to make man in His own image He created Adam (male). Note here God didn’t created Adam and Eve simultaneously. This makes it clear that there is no female in the Heavenly Family. As for Eve, she was created out of necessity not out of God’s desire to create her in His own image. Lets look at the scriptures-

“And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help mate for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam…….but for Adam there was not found an help mate for him. And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman”

(Gen. 2:18-22)

Note in these verses that God shows concern about the loneliness of Adam and further in the verse God says He will make a “Help Mate” for Adam. God wants to make a help mate for Adam for his loneliness here not for His own desire to create Woman in His own image. Even at this point God doesn’t create Eve, instead He formed ‘every beast of the field’ out of the ground and brought them to Adam but still none fitted to Adam’s need. Only then God made woman out of Adam.

Technique :

The technique God used to create Adam and Eve is different. God created Adam out of the ground. Then in order to make a help mate for Adam, God created beasts, also out of the ground. Later, when God didn’t find any of the beasts similar to Adam, He created Eve NOT out of the ground but out of the Adam. Here arise 3 questions for wmscog –

1) Why didn’t God created Adam and Eve simultaneously if a woman existed in heavenly family?

2) Why did God created beasts first to be Adam’s help mate or why didn’t God create Eve as soon as He realized the need of a help mate for Adam?

3) Why did God created Eve out of Adam instead of creating her out of the ground like He created Adam?

You (reader) can find the answers to the first two questions in the article above. The answer to the third questions is as follows –

Ans : God first created beasts out of the ground to be the help mate of Adam. As we can see today in the zoo in our cities that none of the beasts look similar to human or say Adam. Later, when God found none similar to the Adam He created Eve but not out of the ground. Why ? Because if He had created anything in the similarity of Adam, who was in the similarity of God, He would have ended up creating a brother for Adam (another male). God is male and so He created a male (Adam) in His own image. If God had created another male to be help mate for Adam, then they could not live together in peace because both are dominating by nature as God is dominating over the universe. We can find this example in the bible- Cane and Able, Esau and Jacob could not live together. There can’t be two kings in a country.

Therefore, God created Eve out of Adam, as a part of Adam, weaker than him but loved by him as his own body part. Similar in his image yet different. To share his works in the world. To give him comfort and bear his children. If God had not created women then men had to give birth to children (male only). Imagine, how could a pregnant man work in the field or go to battle to fight the enemy?

Ahnshahnhong 37 Years or 21 Years?

oliverlog — Sun, 12 Jun 2011 09:15:55 +0000

As wmscog says Ahnshahnhong preached for 37 years from 1948 when he was baptized in SDA(Seventh day adventist) till his death in 1985 +3 years of Jesus Christ’s preaching = 40 years reign of King David (the reason for his qualification of 2nd coming/ the root of david). I want to ask wmscog –

Q1- why then he left SDA and opened a new church?

Q1a-Was SDA doctrine wrong? If yes :Then why he got baptized in a wrong doctrine? Didn’t he know it already being 2nd christ? (Possible Answer)-May be he had no other way because no “true” church existed.

Q1b-So why he took 16 years to open a new church? (Possible Answer)-Maybe because he had to do hard work (Stone carrying as shown in wmscog videos) for a living during the day and had little time in the night to write his books (why din’t Jesus write any book?).

Q1c-So why did God put so much burden on his shoulders? (Not fair. 1st coming christ had only 1 assignment. Poor 2nd coming.)

Q2- Was SDA right? Then why open a new doctrine?

Q3-As Ahnshahnhong started a new church in 1964 and stared preaching new ways of Gospel, then he only scored 1964 to 1985 =21 years. So he comes short 16 years to be eligible for Christship. Oooops!! (Christship is a new word I discovered due to the need on the “new age”). (Possible Solution)-May be they can add sweet 16 years of ‘mother’ who must not be a mother at that age i guess and must be beautiful to qualify to be the bride of the Lamb/Ahnshahnhong/….(somebody please write here the name of Mother’s fist husband)!!

New Jerusalem Coming Down Out Of Heaven

Hailey Stevens — Fri, 03 Jun 2011 00:01:58 +0000

Revelation 21:1 “Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth”, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

Ok got it…then Revelation 21:2 says,

“I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband”.

So let’s say for argument’s sake that the bride is a “mother god”. Can a WMSCOG member explain how and when the events in Rev 21:1 took place? The earth and the sea are still pretty much here.

Revelation 22:17

Hailey Stevens — Thu, 02 Jun 2011 20:59:49 +0000

“The Spirit and the bride say, “Come”!…

I was reading this verse and a question came to mind. If Zhang Gil Jah is supposed to be the bride then shouldn’t she be saying “Come”? Why hasn’t she gone on national television to reveal her true identity if she is the female “god”? Does anyone know if she has ever proclaimed that she is god? I looked on the english.watv.org website and I could not find a direct statement from her to this effect. I see sermons mentioning the bride as the mother image but never naming who she is. Maybe I missed it? Any WMSCOG member out there willing to clarify?

Also, why doesn’t she say who she is on her foundation website if she is really “god” and if allegedly the world can only be saved by her? She names herself “Chairwoman” not “god” who is supposed to say “Come”. http://eng.weloveu.or.kr/intro/foundation.asp

This just seems strange to me.