Law Archives - Examining the World Mission Society Church of God

Saving Yourself By Preaching? Joo Cheol Kim quotes

Emily — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 06:45:28 +0000

I came across additional 'interesting" quotes by Joo Cheol Kim in his book "My Sheep Listen to My Voice" today. I wanted to put these out there for discussion.

"We are apt to consider preaching to be a sacrificial mission to benefit only others. But actually, preaching is the way to save ourselves. That's why God commanded us to preach." (p. 271)

"Preaching is the duty of all the Church members, so it should be done in mutual cooperation among fellow workers." (p. 273)

First, if Joo is saying that preaching is a "duty" then it is work. Second, I didn't think that we could ever save ourselves. Ephesians 2:8-9.

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith —and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

Anyone have any input on this?

The Law and the WMSCOG

Emily — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 06:27:22 +0000

When I was a member of the WMSCOG, I remember being taught that observing the feasts was a requirement for my salvation. But what I read in my Bible today does not support that claim. Romans 2:12-16.

12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

What stood out here to me was that according to these verses, the Gentiles who did not practice the law (that means that they did not observe the Sabbath, Passover, and other Jewish feasts) were said to "do by nature things required by the law…even though they do not have the law". How do the Gentiles observe the law by nature? How do the Gentiles show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts if they do not spend all Saturday in the church or observe the other feasts at 5am and 730pm the way that the wmscog does?

Simple…they don't. It is impossible to observe the law or feasts the way that the wmscog does, and not even know the law like the Gentiles do in the verses above. I'm not sure if I'm communicating this clearly enough, so here's the bottom line as I see it. Observance of the Mosaic law is not required for salvation. I believe that we are under Jesus' moral law. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

Salvation : Jesus Christ or My Good Works?

oliverlog — Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:50:21 +0000

If salvation is through keeping the passover and festival and doing good works and if Jesus Christ ordered us to take the bread and wine on passover day in order to be saved (as wmscog believes) then why did Jesus Christ said to the thief hanging next to Him on the cross “Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. (Luke:23:43)”

That’s not fare. He (the thief) didn’t eat the passover bread and wine I guess and have done no good deeds I am sure. Then why? Why did God the Father put this scene in the last of the film? To demonstrate the essense of the story? Is the essense of the story is that salvation is not through the works but only by believing in His son (Jesus Christ)? The thief did belive in Him as he said “Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. (Luke:23:42)”

Again, Why did Jesus Christ denounce the scribes and the Pharisees saying “you make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness. (Luke:11:39)” . The scribes and the Pharisees observed the Law and all the festival. Why couldn’t they be saved?

Again again, Remember the rich young man in M’t:19:16-22? What did Jesus Christ say to him when he asked “Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? (M’t:19:16)” Jesus Christ said “if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.(M’t:19:17)”. In M’t:19:18, again the rich man asked “Which?” and Jesus Christ answered him “Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.” Note here, Jesus Christ does not mension the Sabbath, festivals or passover. Not even He commanded him to take passover bread and wine.

If Sabbath, festivals and Passover were so important, why didn’t Jesus Christ mesion it? And guess what, Passover and fesitivals are not even included in 10 commandments of Old Testament. Were those really so important? But yes, Sabbath is included as “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.(Ex:20:8 kjv). Hay wmscog, can I please keep other days unholy?